tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Sep 06 21:12:33 2002
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Re: Hoch (was: Names for
From SuStel:
>"quantity nouns." They act pretty much like numbers. Another noun that
>acts like this is /'op/.
Yes, I didn't forget this one, I only forgot to write it my mail :-)
>We've also seen what I believe was /vatlh DIS poS cha'maH wejDIch HochHom/
poH
>"most of the 23rd Century" (or something like that), where /HochHom/ came
>after the thing it was modifying.
Just like in your translation:
{vatlh DIS poH 23 HochHom} - "most *OF* the 23rd century"
literally: "the 23rd century's most" (sounds weird like this :-)
>These two examples make me believe that when these "quantity nouns" come
>before the nouns they're modifying, they count the number of instances of
>that noun; if they come after the nouns they're modifying, they indicate the
>portion of a single instance of that noun.
sounds "logic".
>The perennial example:
>
>Hoch chab
>each pie
and:
{Hoch chabmey}
"all pies"
>chab Hoch
>the whole pie
equal to:
{chab naQ}
"the full, whole, entire pie"
(I think this means the pie is intact, in one piece, while {chab Hoch} sounds like "the pie fell down,
and now the *whole pie* is on the floor" {pumpu' chab naQ, DaH ravDaq chab Hoch Sop targh.} Is that
right?)
>While I feel confident that this is what is going on, it hasn't been
>confirmed by Okrand.
Do'Ha'. Do we have canon for the word {'op}?
Quvar.