tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed May 15 14:25:29 2002
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Re: help with "Floreat Majestas"
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From: "Captain Krankor" <[email protected]>
> > >
> > > nob "give"
> > > nobHa' "ungive", "give back"
> > >
> > I might be missing something here so forgive me for asking but wouldn't
> > [nobHa'], be "take", "take back" as well as "ungive" rather than "give
> > back"?
>
> It could certainly mean "take back". Context would presumably make the
> intended meaning clear.
>
> > If it could mean "give back" how would the following work (assuming it's
> > correct anyway):
> >
> > taj nob SuvwI' vaj taj nobHa' SuvwI'
>
> Well, I'm not sure what this would mean. Certainly one could come up with
> a context in which it would make sense, but lacking a context it's a
little
> hard to understand. It would be more comprehensible, methinks, with ghIq
> instead of vaj.
Methinks you are correct.. For context (missing because I wasn't sure if it
was right)
nenwI'HeyvaD taj nob SuvwI' ghIq chaghmo' puqna'vo' taj nobHa' SuvwI'
"The Warrior gave a knife to the apparent adult then because he dropped it
the warrior took it back from the definite child"
But after reading Will's email on the subject I'm not so certain the idea
even holds up as it involves taking back.
Q. Can I use -vo' in this manner?
> > Can I give to an inanimate object?
> > e.g. "I give money to the Collection"
>
> I would say yes, especially given the way that indirect objects work
> in Klingon. Because I'm at my parents' house and lack my dictionary,
> I'm not sure off the top of my head what to use for "Collection", but
> grammatically the sentence would come out:
>
> "Collection"vaD Huch vInob.
>
> Since this literally means "I give money for the benefit of the
Collection",
> I see no problem here. I don't know that we know the answer for absolute
> positive, but, lacking any other data, I think that if a day can "have"
> secrets, then you can give to a Collection.
>
> --Krankor
qe'San