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Re: jIH vIchuHlu' - Words mentioned earlier but not in the New Words list?

Words specified below:
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> > I fully accept it is your call and I can especially see what you
> > meant about names... Maybe my mistake was including the > > email I
did... Perhaps the question would have better been
> > supported If I'd specified particular words I'd looked up.
> The more specific you are, the less confusing you'll be. Even > in this
message, you have not been specific enough for me to > have a clue about
what you really want.


> You talk about words you think ought to be in the New Words
> List,

No I never did.. I said if they were canon (which was the question)
shouldn't they be in the list.  I did not say they ought to be there.  You
answered about names and I understand that point. Although not one I asked.

> then include an
> Email that contains words that are mostly in TKD addendum or > KGT,

I explained that and refuse to labour the point.

> plus a couple proper names for something nobody
> would  understand unless they read the novel the words
> appear in.

As you insist in talking about proper names.. The ones in the glossary refer
to names that were used in the series or films.. So no people wouldn't have
to read the novel... But I do accept your decision not to include them in
the list.

> If they read the novel, they know what the words
> mean and they don't need them in the New Words List. If they > don't read
the novel, having them in the New Words List won't
> help anybody understand what they mean, so they aren't really
> good choices for the New Words List.

I believe infamous place names like [Suto'vo'qor] are important but again
the list is yours to decide.

> So, I explain that, and yet you still seem to be saying that your
> question has  not been answered. So, ask your question
> clearly and we'll do our best to answer it more to your
> satisfaction.
> > I did say that attached email was just an example of those
> > previously discussed. I included the email purely to
> > demonstrate that the discussion wasn't new and people
> > wouldn't get all excited about it for no reason.. After
> > checking my list archives on the subject I was still left
> > with what I considered a valid question, so I asked it.
> It sounded like your question was, "Why don't these words
> appear in the New Words List?" I think I answered that
> question. So, what exactly is your question?
> > The purpose of my question to the list was, is the source
> > considered canon because it was vetted by MO.. Not, what
> > has anybody done wrong.
> Anything Okrand explicitly approves in a verifiable form is
> canon. We got a couple of nouns out of the novel "Sarek";
> mostly for animals we know little about, so it's not like the
> words pop up in daily conversation, but they did get added to
> the list. Meanwhile, the novel that has you so enthused here
> seems to offer a couple planet names. Did I miss anything?

I believe so... Forgetting names what about
boqrat chej, ghojmoHwI', ghapoq, jeghpu'wI', ma' to'vor, mong'em, ra'taj,
Suto'vo'qor (sorry had to put that name in) & tIqleH. (Full Glossary at the

> > We are
> > often told that if we have the books and the new word list we
> > will have all canon words (You restate this yourself in your
> > reply to my general query)... It was because I value the list
> > you maintain that leant me to question the validity of the
> > source material in question.. That question remains
> > unanswered.
> The question here is: "Is every proper name considered to be
> a word?" My answer is, "No."

Why do you get tied up on one point that I didn't actually ask anyway..

> Pick up any English dictionary
> and try to look up every name for every person you know. Do
> you find all the names there? No. Then look up every city,
> state and country name you know. Do you find them? No.
> That's not what dictionaries are for.

I agree but then I do believe that major place or mythical names have a
place as they could possibly crop up in stories and people without the canon
might not recognise them.

> > But the question is still valid. Is the source
> > considered canon by the KLI.

Although indirectly answered ... my question again. I thought it was

> You still have not stated your "word". I'm apparently supposed
> to pick it out myself from this earlier Email that includes a lot of
> words, most of which are in the Addendum or KGT. Be direct
> and you'll get a more direct answer.

I accept that I had not given you an example but that would not of helped
answer whether or not the glossary was canon. Which was the question and
specified in the first five lines of the original email.   If you really
want one.. The word that got me going was jeghpu'wI'. If the source is canon
then for Klingons to name a conquered people this would surely be a [-wI']
word worthy of inclusion in the New Word List?  That's a question not a

> What's wrong with actually asking your question, directly,
> simply and without a lot of distracting wrapping?

I did!  What's was wrong with answering my question and not yours even when
I told you that wasn't my question.  Perhaps someone has had a go about
proper names not on the list.. I have not.  Please do not crussify me for
something I haven't asked. Yes there was a misunderstanding but surely once
pointed out you could've let it be and not continued to have a go.

> Will


Now the full Glossary as promised thanks to De'vID:

----- Original Message -----
From: "De'vID" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 7:33 AM
Subject: Diplomatic Implausibility glossary

> --- begin ---
>     bat'leth (betleH)  Curved, four-bladed, two-handed weapon.
> This is the most popular handheld, edged weapon used by
> Klingon warriors, due to its being favored by Kahless.  The
> legendary Sword of Kahless was a bat'leth, and most Defense
> Force warriors are proficient with it.  [First seen in
> Reunion" (TNG).]
>     bekk (beq)  A rank given to enlisted personnel in the
> Defense Force.  [First referenced in "Sons and Daughters"
> (DS9).]
>     bok-rat liver, stewed (boqrat chej)  Food made from the liver > of a
bok-rat, apparently cooked to some degree, making it
> unusual among Klingon foods.  [First seen in "Soldiers of the
> Empire"  (DS9).]
>     bregit lung (bIreQtagh)  Food made from the lung of an
> animal, presumably a bregit.  [First seen in "A Matter of
> Honor" (TNG).]
>     cha'DIch  Literally, "second."  During a legal proceeding, the
> accused is denied combat, and so must have a second, called
> a cha'DIch, to defend him or her.  [First referenced in "Sins of
> the Father" (TNG).]
>     chech'tluth (chechtlhutlh)  An alcoholic beverage best
> served heated and steaming.  The word seems to derive from
> the verbs meaning "to drink" and "to get drunk."  [First seen in
> "Up the Long Ladder" (TNG).]
>     d'k tahg (Daqtagh)  Personal dagger.  All Defense Force
> warriors carry their own d'k tahg, which is personalized with
> their name and House.  [First seem in Star Trek III: The
> Search for Spock.]
>     gagh (qagh)  Food made from live serpent worms.  [First
> seen in "A Matter of Honor" (TNG).]
>     ghojmoHwI'  Teacher or mentor.
>     gladst (tlhatlh)  Food made from brown leaves, best served
> without sauce.  [First seen in "Melora" (DS9).]
>     glob fly (ghIlab ghew)  Small, irritating insect with no sting,
> which makes a slight buzzing sound.  [First referenced in "The
> Out- rageous Okona" (TNG).]
>     grapok sauce (gha'poq)  Condiment, often used to bring out
> the favor in gagh or racht.  [First seen in "Sons and
> Daughters" (DS9).]
>     Gre'thor (ghe'tor)  The afterlife for the dishonored dead --
> the closest Klingon equivalent to hell.  [First mentioned in
> "Devil's Due" (TNG).]
>     Grishnar cat (ghISnar)  Small animal, apparently not a very
> vicious one, though with perhaps a predilection for trying to
> sound fiercer than it actually is.  [First referenced in "The Way
> of the Warrrior" (DS9).]
>     Ha'DIbaH  Animal.  Often used as an insult.  [First used in
> "Sins of the Father" (TNG).]
>     HuDyuQ  A mountainous planet.  The name derives from the
> words meaning "mountain" and "planet."
>     jatyIn  According to legend, spirits of the dead that possess
> the living.  [First mentioned in "Power Play" (TNG).]
>     jeghpu'wI'  Conquered people -- more than slaves, less than
> citizens, this status is given to occupants of worlds conquered
> by the Klingon Empire.
>     krada legs (Qa'Da')  Food made from the extremities of a
> krada.  [First mentioned in "The Sound of Her Voice" (DS9).]
>     lingta (lIngta')  Large game animal indigenous to Qo'noS.
> [First seen in "Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong
> Places" (DS9).]
>     Mauk-to'Vor (ma' to'vor)  A death ritual that allows one who
> has lost honor to die well and go to Sto-Vo-Kor by being
> honorably killed by a House-mate or someone equally close.
> [First seen in "Sons of Mogh" (DS9).]
>     mek'leth (meqleH)  A sword-like one- or two-handed weapon
> about half the size of a bat'leth.  [First seen in "Sons of Mogh"
> (DS9).]
>     mong'em maneuver  A parry where you thrust a sword or
> other edged weapon behind your neck in order to block an
> attack from the rear.
>     par'Mach (parmaq)  Love, Klingon style -- with much more
> intense connotations than the English word.  [First used in
> "Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places" (DS9).]
>     petaQ  Insult with no direct translation.  Sometimes
> Anglicized as pahtk.  [First used in "The Defector" (TNG).]
>     pipius claw (pIpyuS pach)  Food made from the claw of an
> animal.  [First seen in "A Matter of Honor" (TNG).]
>     Qam-Chee (qamchIy)  According to legend, an ancient
> village on Qo'noS where Kahless and Lukara fought a great
> battle, a major component of their courtship.  [First mentioned
> in "Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places" (DS9).]
>     Qang Chancellor.  A new class of Defense Force ships, of
> which the I.K.S. Gorkon is one, is the Qang-class, and all are
> named after past chancellors of the empire (three of the
> others in the line are the I.K.S. Gowron, the I.K.S. Azetbur,
> and the I.K.S. K'mpec).
>     Qapla'  Ritual greeting that literally means "success."  [First
> used in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.]
>     qelI'qam  Unit of measurement roughly akin to two
> kilometers. Sometimes Anglicized as kellicam.  [First used in
> Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.]
>     QI'yaH  Interjection with no direct translation.  [First used in
> "Sins of the Father" (TNG).]
>     Qo'noS  The Klingon Homeworld.  Sometimes Anglicized as
> Kronos.  [First referenced by that name in Star Trek VI: The
> Undis- covered Country.]
>     racht (raHta')  Food made from live serpent worms (not to
> be confused with gagh).  [First seen in "Melora" (DS9).]
>     raktajino (ra'taj)  Coffee, Klingon style.  [First seen in "The
> Passenger" (DS9).]
>     ramjep bird  Avian life-form indigenous to Qo'noS that only
> comes out in the dark.  Name literally means "midnight."
>     rokeg blood pie (ro'qegh'Iwchab)  Food apparently made
> from or with the blood of an animal, possibly a rokeg.  [First
> seen in "A Matter of Honor" (TNG).]
>     Rura Penthe (rura' pente')  Prison planet mostly covered in
> ice.  [First seen in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.]
>     R'uustai (ruStay)  Literally, "the bonding," this is a ritual that
> allows an orphan to join another House.  [First seen in "The
> Bonding" (TNG).]
>     Sto-Vo-Kor (Suto'vo'qor)  The afterlife for the honored
> dead, where all true warriors go after they die to fight an
> eternal battle. The closest Klingon equivalent to heaven.
> [First mentioned by name in "Rightful Heir" (TNG).]
>     taD  An ice-covered colony planet.  The word literally
> means "frozen."
>     targ (targh)  Animal that is popular as a pet, but the heart of
> which is also considered a delicacy.  [First seen as a pet in
> "Where No One Has Gone Before" (TNG) and as a food in "A
> Matter of Honor" (TNG).]
>     tik'leth (tIqleH)  An edged weapon, similar to an Earth
> longsword.  [First seen in "Reunion" (TNG).]
>     toDSaH  Insult with no direct translation.  Sometimes
> Anglicized as tohzah.  [First used in "The Defector" (TNG).]
>     Ty'Gokor (tay'ghoqor)  A planet where the induction into the
> Order of the Bat'leth takes place.  [First seen in "Apocalypse
> Rising"
> (DS9).]
>     zilm'kach (tlhImqaH)  Food made from something orange.
> [First seen in "Melora" (DS9).]
> --- end ---
> --
> De'vID

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