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RE: cha'DIch KLBC rI'

Welcome to the list.  I am DloraH, currently serving as the list's
Beginners' Grammarian.

> nuqneH tlhIngan Hol jatlhwI'pu'!
> Hello Klingon language speakers!

nuqneH does not mean "hello".  It is a question meaning "What do you want?".

> ghomvam jImuvta' cha' Hu',
> I joined this list two days ago [couldn't find 'recently']

qen "recently"

The time stamp /cha' Hu'/ goes at the beginning of the sentence.
/ghomvam/ is the object of the verb /muv/, so the prefix needs to be one
that implies an object; in this case vI-.

The suffix -ta' means that in the time frame referenced, the action is
completed, not occuring.  /cha' Hu' ghomvam vImuvta'/ say that two days ago
I had already joined this group; I joined sometime before two days ago.

-pu' and -ta' are not past tense, they are perfective aspect; meaning, at
the time of the timestamp the act has been completed.

wejHu' vIleghpu' - Three days ago I had already seen him.  It could have
been a year ago, it could have been four days ago; I don't specify.

wejleS vIleghpu' - Three days from now I will have already seen him.  Maybe
I will see him tommorrow.  Maybe I will see him today.  Maybe I saw him a
few days ago, or last year.  I don't specify.  I only say that when three
days from now gets here, the act of me seeing him will be completed.

> 'ej tlhIngan Hol vIghoj vIneHbej.
> and am eager to learn the Klingon Language.

maj.  Good.

> *TKD '92* vIghaj 'ej nuq lI' law' Hoch jaq puS vISov vIneH DuvMeH.
> I have a TKD '92 and would like to know which resource is best to
> move on to.
> [- This is what I wanted to say; in actuality, the second half of
> that sentence is supposed to be '... know what is most useful for
> advancing'. Is there a better way to express this?]

There are several ways to handle this.  The first one to come to my mind:
*TKD '92* vIghaj.  Hol laHwIj vIDubtaHmeH  Hol jo vISuqnISbogh yIngu'.
"I have TKD '92.  To continue improving my language abilities, identify
which language resources I need to acquire."

Do you have KGT (Klingon for the Galactic Traveler)?
For a complete list of words you need TKD, KGT, and the New Words List
available at the KLI website.
The audio tapes CK (Conversational Klingon) and PK (Power Klingon) give you
a chance to hear the language.

And for really improving your abilities... attend the annual qep'a'.

> jabbI'IDmeylIj vIlaDmeH jIniDvIS jItIv'egh,
> I enjoy attempting to read your messages

"I enjoy myself while I attempt for the purpose of reading your messages."

The suffix -vIS must always be accompanied by the suffix -taH.

jabbI'IDmeylIj vIlaD 'e' vInID 'e' vItIv.

The pronoun 'e' represents the previous sentence as the object.
jabbI'IDmeylIj vIlaD  "I read your messages."
vInID  "I attempt it."
'e' vInID  "I attempt (the previous sentence)."
jabbI'IDmeylIj vIlaD 'e' vInID  "I attempt that I read your messages."
vItIv  "I enjoy it."
'e' vItIv  "I enjoy (the previous sentence)."
jabbI'IDmeylIj vIlaD 'e' vInID 'e' vItIv.  "I enjoy that I attempt that I
read your messages."  or a little smoother as "I enjoy attempting to read
your messages."

> 'ej jabbI'IDmeywIj vIghItlhchoH je vIneH.
> and would like to start writing my own too.

You just did write your own.

> batlh Vlodnak'e', lughbe'pe' pabDaj ('e' nuja' DloraH),
> Particular greetings to Vlodnak, who, though his grammar was off
> (as pointed out by DloraH),

suffix -pe'?

> 'ach laDlaHta'ghach law' jatlhwI'pu' 'Itlh laDlaHghach puS, vIrI'.
> was more readable to me than the advanced speakers.

After reading the english I could go back and kind of figure out what you
were saying.

chu'wI'pu' jabbI'ID vIyajchu'.  po'wI'pu' jabbI'ID vIyajchu'be'.

Qov already addressed this issue.  Plus beginners' messages can be more
readable because (when they are grammatical) they tend to be more basic;
just the simple OVS (Object Verb Subject).

DloraH, BG

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