tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Jan 22 12:18:39 2002
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Re: Klingonase vs. tlhIngan Hol
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I wasn't sure
whether or not we were sticklers for cannon or not.
As for how Worf was speaking, I believe it may have
been in Klingon, don't quote me on that one. I will
have to watch for that episode once more. Once again
thanks, T'Anna Kirk.
--- slapdash <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, T. J. Harrington wrote:
> > But I hav heard Worf use Klingoneese as the word 4
> the
> > Klingon language.
>
> Was he "speaking English" at the time? If so, you
> could
> consider it likely just a translation of "tlhingon
> Hol"
> by the ship's translator, or that he says
> "Klingonese"
> just because his crewmates are more familiar with
> that
> term.
>
> > If so, why is this a point of
> > contention. All we are saying is the same thing 4
> the
> > same word. Now if we want to be technical, correct
> me
> > if I'm wrong, but anything written in books is
> > considered non-cannon. Anything produced on t.v.
> or
> > in the movies is considered cannon. If the former
> is
> > correct, then anything written by Ford would be
> > non-cannon. To be exact so is the Klingon
> Dictionary.
>
> The way I understand it, John Ford came up
> (originally
> at least) with Klingonaase on his own, whereas Marc
> Okrand came up with tlhingon Hol at the request of
> the
> production company. This implies that Okrand's work
> is
> canon, Ford's is not. Whether it be in books or on
> TV or in movies doesn't have much bearing on it.
>
> > As someone pointed out earlier, some of the other
> > shows, since ST3 have strayed away from the
> Klingon
> > Dictionary. So this would seem to prove my
> theory.
>
> No, it just shows that the people writing the
> scripts are
> too lazy to use proper tlhingon Hol, and/or the
> production
> company has gotten too cheap or lazy to hire Okrand
> (and/or
> Okrand is too busy) to produce more canon tlhingon
> Hol.
> Instead, we get random garbage that is just made-up
> by the
> writers, occasionally with SOME knowledge of the
> real deal.
> This is *Paramount Hol*, and for the people who want
> to
> consider the shows canon, it is at best a dialect of
> the
> real tlhingon Hol.
>
> Perhaps a better way of looking at it:
>
> If it's on the show, it's Star Trek canon
> If it's produced by Okrand, it's tlhingon Hol canon
>
> The two don't always match...
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