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Re: KLBC: was: RE: More puns in new vocab/moq/response

--- TPO <> wrote:
> Ouch!  Ok, I'm guessing you didn't read the first
> half of the dictionary,
> particularly section 6 which starts on page 59.
> Klingon is a language all of it's own.  It's not a
> re-coding of english.  It
> has it's own grammar.  English is
> Subject-Verb-Object.  Klingon is
> Object-Verb-Subject.
> > HIja'.
> > Yes.
> "yes" is used a few different ways in english.  In
> klingon {HIja'} means
> "yes" when answering a yes/no type of question.
> {lu'} and {luq} mean "yes" in the sense of "yes,
> sure, ok".
> Other english "yes" could match with {Qochbe'}
> "agree".
> I see a lot of people using {HIja'} for all the
> various meanings of "yes",
> but it's supposed to be for answering a yes/no
> question.
> >jIH       parHa'    Sov  nuqDaq SoH tu'
> >I   would like   to know where  you find(found)
> moq.
> First, because you are asking where he found the
> word, we know that you
> would like to know; other wise you wouldn't be
> asking.  So we'll drop the
> first half of the sentence and be more direct.
> "Where did you find {moq}."
> [you] is the subject.
> [find] is the verb.  Page 33 of TKD shows a verb
> prefix chart.  Looking at
> the chart, when [you] is the subject and [it] is the
> object, the prefix we
> want is Da-.
> [{moq}] is the object.  Above I said that [it] is
> the object.  The word
> {moq} is not a person.  It's not a "you" or a "we",
> it is an "it".
> [where] turns this into a question.  Questions are
> covered on page 68 of
> TKD.  The question word where/nuqDaq comes at the
> beginning of the sentence.
> nuqDaq  {moq} Datu' SoH?
> Because the prefix Da- implies that the subject is
> [you], you don't have to
> include the pronoun SoH.  Adding the pronoun SoH
> would emphasis "you".
> "Where did YOU find {moq}" as opposed to where did
> someone else find it.
> > nuq                 wot.
> >What is "revel" the verb.
> First, "revel" is a typo.  He ment "rebel".  In
> english "rebel" is both a
> noun and a verb.  He was making sure the other
> person was aware that lotlh
> was the verb "rebel" and not the person "rebel". 
> The person would be a
> lotlhwI'.
> >      neH  mu' jIH tu'              moQ,
> > The only word I   find (found) was moQ,
> neH (only, merely) follows the word it modifies.
> The object is {moQ}.
> The verb is... it isn't [find]...
> The subject is... it's not [I], it is [the word];
> what word?  [the word
> which I found].  This is a relative clause, page 63.
>  [find] is part of the
> relative clause and receives the suffix -bogh.  So
> if [find] is in the
> relative clause, what's the verb?  Section 6.3 "To
> be" starting on page 67
> talks about pronouns acting as a "to be" verb.  So
> here the verb is the
> pronoun [it].
> First we'll figure out that relative clause.
> "the only word which I found" (remember {neH} goes
> after {mu'})
> mu' neH vItu'bogh jIH
> [find] is a verb (even tho it's in this relative
> clause) so it gets one of
> those verb prefixes I mentioned earlier from page
> 33.  The subject of the
> verb [find] is [I], the object is [it], so the
> prefix is vI-.
> Again, the pronoun jIH isn't need.
> mu' neH vItu'bogh  -  This phrase (a relative
> clause) is the subject to our
> original sentence.
> I said that the verb of the main sentence is the
> pronoun [it] being used as
> a "to be" type of verb.  When a pronoun is used as a
> "to be" type of verb,
> the subject needs to be marked with the noun suffix
> -'e'.  The subject of
> the main sentence is [the word (which I found)].  So
> -'e' gets attached to
> {mu'}.
> {moQ} 'oH mu''e' neH vItu'bogh
> >      qej   moQ.
> >which means sphere.
> {qej} is "mean" as in "grouchy", a bad attitude.
> This phrase we'll make a second sentence.
> {sphere} 'oS {moQ}.
> >jIH        bel        SoH lugh    -wI pab     'ej
> -wI mugh.
> >I would be Pleased if you correct my  grammar and
> my translation.
> First, the suffix -wI should be -wI'.  The ' has to
> be on there.
> Second, the suffix -wI' refers to beings capable of
> language.  The
> suffix -wIj is possessive refering to things.
> As stated, -wIj is a suffix; it gets attached to the
> thing which is being
> possessed.  pabwIj "my grammar".
> mugh is the verb "translate", not the noun
> "translation".
> "...if you correct ..."
> [correct] is the verb.  The [if] is handled by the
> verb suffix -chugh.
> ... DalughmoHchugh ...   "... if you cause it to be
> correct..."
> {'ej} is [and] when connecting sentences.  When you
> are connecting nouns you
> use {je}.  Also, {je} goes at the end of the list of
> nouns that are being
> connected.
> pabwIj DalughmoHchugh  jIbel
> >      SoH, T'Anna Kirk.
> >Thank you, T'Anna Kirk.
> We do have a word for [thank], but... Klingons do
> not say "thank you" as
> freely as humans.  If you saved my life or the life
> of my first born, I
> would say "thank you".  If you held a door open for
> me, I would not say
> "thank you".
> "I thank you"
> Subject is [I]
> Verb is [thank]
> Object is [you]
> When subject is [I] and the object is [you], the
> verb prefix is qa-.
> qatlho'
> DloraH, BG  (DaH jIQongnIS)
> Ouch, is right.  As I read your resonse I LOL, &
realized I had a lot of learning to do.  I have just
started learning the Klingon Language.  So for now, I
think I will leave translating my work to the experts.
 This is not as easy as it looks.  I think I'll just
sit back & let you guys speak in Klingoneese, & only
respond in standard, & keep learning.  Hey I do enjoy
the quips that go back & forth on this page.  Well the
reason I signed up is to learn Klingon.  So please
continue to send me e-mail.  I feel I will sooner or
later learn this. Thanks, T'Anna Kirk.

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