tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sat Aug 31 14:32:07 2002
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Re: tlhIngan Hol lujatlhbogh puq'e'
>jIjatlh:
>> >to be fair, we know that at least for some verbs, the noun in the object
>> >"role" can be marked by <-Daq>, and in either this thread or the one(s)
>> >about "adverbials", someone quoted the relative clause example, where
>> >the noun in the subject "role" at least appears to be marked by <-Daq>.
>> >
>> >thus, one is free to assume that "syntactic markers" may appear in any
>> >of the three "roles" Subject, Object, and Header, although they in fact
>> >most often appear in Headers if they're not <-'e'>. One can then lump
>> >together <-'e'> with all the other type 5s - as is done in TKD... nothing
>> >much gained, nothing much lost either, so far, IMO.
>>
>mujang tulwI'. jatlh:
>> i think that there are header nouns with /-'e'/. i think i have seen
>> a sentence that had an object and a preceding noun with /-'e'/. or a
>> verb can have two objects or the first noun with /-'e'/ belongs to
>> the header.
>>
>all I meant to say was that "they...most often appear in Headers"
>does not apply to <-'e'>.
>
>> >It gets muddy, though, when one starts to consider whether Subjects
>> >and Objects are filled with nouns without an explicit "syntactic marker";
>> >are these two kinds of null-suffixes, the same, or "no case"?
>> >what about time stamps?
>>
>> excellent question. :) (i think that is what i wanted to know all the
>> time.)
>>
>the point is, if you want to champion the case for Klingon cases
>(sorry, couldn't resist the pun), *you* should find the answers
>to those questions and tell us what you've come up with.
i'm already discussing this point with Holtej, and i tried to express
myself, and he in my opinion understands very well why i want have to
come up with. the only thing is that he disagrees. unfortunately i'm
not convinced yet, and so maybe we should maybe accept that i don't
succeed in convincing you and you don't succed in convincing me.
that's not too tragic. i try to avoid speaking about cases as much as
i can. for example, right now. bye!
tulwI',
sts.