tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Aug 29 17:27:44 2002
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Re: two different types of object
Am 29.08.2002 22:32:37, schrieb Steven Boozer <[email protected]>:
>If this is possible, shouldn't you reverse the nouns if the second noun is
>an addition?
>
> jIH (qorDu'wIj je) tuquvmoH
> you honor me (and my house)
What's the difference? Does it matter, which word is the one in addition?
Here's some context:
It's a dialogue in a computergame, where the Klingon High Council tells the player to do a mission (which
is the Computergame). After the player has received his assignment, he answers "Your [plural, the HC]
conficence honors me and my family."
>>2. qorDu'wIj jIH je boquvmoH
>>only qorDu' is object, jIH could also be the object, but only if it were a
>>noun.
>>"you honor <my family and I>"
>>"you honor my family and the viewing screen"
>
>The second possibility is nonsense and can be eliminated; no Klingon in
>their right mind would hear this as "viewing screen" - unless they were
>making an awful pun, of course. <g>
Of course. I wrote it, because if it's a noun, then the phrase would be no problem and grammatically
correct: {N1 N2 je bo-Verb} {you(pl) Verb them N1 and N2}
>Besides, pronouns *are* nouns.
Not 100 percent:
"Pronouns may be used as nouns, but only for emphasis or added clarity. They are not required." (TKD p.52)
If we use pronouns here like they *are* nouns, then I could say *ghaH SoH je vIlegh* like {targh Suy' je
vIlegh}, but pronouns take the prefix of what they represent. Examples explain what I mean: {SoH qalegh}
> pInaDqu' tuqlIj wInaDqu' je
> Glory to you and your house.
> ("We praise you highly; we also praise your house highly") KGT
>
>So, using this as a model:
>
> qorDu'wIj boquvmoH, tuquvmoH je.
> "you honor my family; you also honor me"
why not
tuquvmoH, qorDu'wIj boquvmoH je.
"you honor me, you also honor my family"
(like in your model above)?
>Another question is: What is the order of pronouns in Klingon? Different
>languages don't always follow the same order. Is it properly {qorDu'wIj
>jIH je} "my family and I/me" (i.e. 3rd person, 2nd person, 1st person - as
>in English) or {jIH qorDu'wIj je} "I/me and my family" (i.e. 1st person,
>2nd person, 3rd person), or something else entirely?
I dunno if there's a rule for that in english, or any other language. I just did it like this, because my
mother always taught me to say the other people's names first, and mine as last one:
"there were three people: my sister, my father, and me."
It's not grammatically wrong to say "Me, my father, and..." but it's unpolite. You would do this with
things or animals: "Me and my dog."
Quvar.