tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Aug 16 10:21:30 2002
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Re: tlhIngan Hol lujatlhbogh puq'e'
- From: "d'Armond Speers" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: tlhIngan Hol lujatlhbogh puq'e'
- Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:21:14 -0600
SuStelvo':
>A rose by any other name. Personally, I see "subject," "object," and
>"header" as the cases of Klingon nouns.
I don't see these as cases, so much as grammatical roles. Unless you
subscribe to the theory that (a) all nouns are marked for case, even if it's
not overt; and (b) Klingon is like human languages in this regard, there's
no evidence that Klingon uses case.
>A locative noun, for instance, is
>usually a header, rarely an object, and virtually never a subject (we've
>never seen one as a subject).
I know this has been discussed ad nauseum, but I'm still confused about
this. Can you provide an example of a locative noun as a subject? Unless
you're thinking something like {Qom Dat} and are counting {Dat} as a
locative.
Or, you're just saying that the rules don't explicitly prohibit it, and it's
a logical possibility that one day we may see this, just like we eventually
saw locatives as the object of verbs of motion like {ghoS}. Not that you're
advocating its use with what we know today. Is that the point?
>A reason noun is virtually always a header,
>and almost never a subject or object (we've never seen any of these,
>either). A topic/emphasis noun is rarely a header, often a subject, and
>often an object.
The term "header" is actually starting to grow on me. (Now there's a phrase
that doesn't translate.)
>SuStel
>Stardate 2624.0
Holtej 'utlh
Stardate 2624.6
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