tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Apr 25 10:43:24 2002
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Re: apposition with pronouns
From: "Sangqar (Sean Healy)" <email@example.com>
> There was recently a thread titled "majaH torgh" which got me thinking.
> would we do apposition with pronouns?
> vIjaH jIH Sangqar
> I, Sangqar, go.
Sure, why not? It would be intoned in a particular way; don't think this is
a magic apposition formula. /jIjaH jIH! SuStel!/
> Or would it be permissible to leave out the pronoun?
> vIjaH Sangqar
Oy vey. mu'tlheghvetlh vIlajbe'bejqu' jIH'e'.
> Some might say that Sangqar is not a first-person subject
Me! I say that!
> - but If I'm the
> one speaking, it is, because it's me.
No, "I" is a first-person subject. /Sangqar/ is a name, and can be used as
a third-person noun of any kind. Just because it happens to be YOUR name is
I can legitimately say, "SuStel goes to the Great Hall," but I can't say,
"SuStel go to the Great Hall." The latter is wrong, it's baby-talk, spoken
by those who haven't yet figured out how to use pronouns and verb
conjugations. But if my name COULD be used as a first-person subject, I
COULD say "SuStel go to the Great Hall." I can't, so it isn't.
> But this would sound extremely weird
> in Finnish (in which the subject pronoun is more frequently dropped than
> used, like Klingon), so I suspect the first is the better choice.
Remember, what sounds weird in Finnish has no bearing on what sounds weird
> Of course, this would probably never be used in spoken Klingon,
I disagree. See my first paragraph. In fact, I think it would be used in
spoken Klingon far more than in written Klingon, assuming Klingons have
different written and spoken forms.