tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Feb 19 12:01:12 2001
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Re: K'Zhen Zu-Merz
- From: Marc Ruehlaender <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: K'Zhen Zu-Merz
- Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:00:44 CST
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jIja'
> >I wasn't aware English even had long consonants.
>
jang ghunchu'wI'; ja':
> It might not be called that, but "genie" and "Gennie" are quite distinct in
> sound. There's definitely a difference in English between "super" and
> "supper", though it's reflected in the vowel preceding the doubled
> consonant more than in the sound of the consonant itself.
>
> >{jennIy} sounds to me more like "jen knee" (without a pause
> >between the two "n")
>
> That's exactly how I pronounce "Gennie".
>
interesting. the only "test" I can come up with right now
(and here is where it may get offensive) do you pronounce
the [n] in <Gennie> (noticeably) longer than the [n] in
<genitals>?
> I think the doubled consonant tends to shift the stress away from the final
> syllable. I can't point to any rules that say so, but that's what happens
> pretty much automatically when I speak Klingon out loud.
>
you certainly have more speaking practice than I have.
I have never talked in Klingon to anyone who knew what
I was saying :) so all I have to go by are TKD and the
tapes. Maybe, getting back to the tapes will enlighten
me a little bit...
> [I could point to the verbs {Dabej} "you watch it" and {Dabbej} "he
> certainly resides (in)" as support for my observation, but they're not
> nouns.]
>
[and thus I would stress both on the first syllable]
> After several years of occasionally speaking Klingon in extended
> conversations, I can state with conviction that the explanation in TKD is
> *very* simplistic (no surprise there). There are very few examples in TKD
> of nouns having multiple closed syllables with none ending in {'}, and
> there are definitely a few two-syllable nouns with the stress on the first
> syllable: {tlhIngan} and {DIlyum} among them.
>
I could argue that {tlhIngan} really is a compound noun,
and I certainly stress the first noun in a N-N construction
(and by extension the first noun of a compound noun) more
than the second.
Does {DIlyum} occur in spoken form on one of the two tapes
CK or PK? or how do you know, it's not stressed on the second
syllable?
Marc Ruehlaender
aka HomDoq
[email protected]