tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Feb 14 13:46:38 2001
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RE: K'Zhen Zu-Merz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Ruehlaender [mailto:[email protected]]
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> In message <[email protected]> Gennie Summers writes:
> > I don't understand why you choose to change the "u" to
> "a" in "Summers". Seem
> > s to me that "e" would be closer to the short "u" sound.
> > All this fuss over how to pronounce my name in Klingon...
> >
> doesn't have to bother you :)
> you're free to name yourself whatever you like, of course.
> it's always difficult to write sounds of a foreign language
> with native sounds (in this case English is the foreign language,
> Klingon the native) and our discussion is mostly speculative anyway.
>
> > mers, hence the Z's. I think I may just use "QI'Sen Su'merS" and
> it sounds close enough to K'Zhen Zu-Merz the way you
> pronounce it, IMO. The only things I'd have changed are
> {q} instead of {Q} and insert a vowel to break up {-rS}
>
> > be forced to switch back to S's, but put in an apostrophe
> for "style". I'm no
> > t concerned about the double consonants "rS", if that is wrong.
> >
> we just haven't seen any canon words with {rS} *in one syllable*
> but if you like it... we have seen {-rq} and {-rD} in
> {qIrq} "Kirk" and {pIqarD} "Picard" and those two are
> not found in other Klingon syllables either, suggesting
> that foreign names are little less bound by rules applying
> to native words.
>
> it's your name. you have the final word on it.
>
> > BTW, my friend Jon Brown Okrandized his name as "qe'San
> be'rawn". What do you
> > think of that?
> >
> we haven't seen {wn} in one syllable either...
> but it's his name...
>
> Marc Ruehlaender
>
I was thinking of it more as:
| b | e | ' | r | aw | n |
basically as I believe/d aw is mentioned in TKD as acting like a vowel
itself eg it can take a glottal stop after the <w> in <aw> which it couldn't
do without the <a>(e.g. chImlaw')
aw = ow as in English cow
or as I used it Brown
The qe'San was because I didn't want to use Jon and Sean is classed as
equivalent to Jon (so I understand) which I transliterated to <San> .
Everyone I knew at the time was starting their Klingon names with <k'> so I
thought <qe'San>. I'm not sure that if I did it today I would of made my
name <qISan bIrawn> but I've grown accustomed to it now and it is a name.
As to K'Zhen Zumerz a possible transliteration not involving S and looking
at the Zu-Merz rather than the Summers could be QIven Sametlh as the rz
gives a sort of <ts> type sound.
Sorry I forgot we're transliterating Gennie... Maybe jIynnIy
as Iy = ey as in English KEY
So would be <jIynnIy>
However TOO many people know you as K'Zhen Zu-Merz Gennie so it's probably
wise to stay with it.
Qapla'
qe'San