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RE: chay' pIm {-be'} {-Ha'} je

> First I considered: {He'So'qu' tlhuHlIj; nontaHneSbe'bogh no'lI' lommey
rur.}
> then I considered: {He'So'qu' tlhuHlIj; nontaHneSHa'bogh no'lI' lommey
rur.}

>That's not how {-neS} is used.  {-neS} is used to show respect by the
>speaker to the listener, and in some cases (with some verbs of fighting)
>indicate fighting to the death.  I'm not sure what effect {-be'} would
>have on {-neS}, but it's likely not what you intend.  Also, I'm not sure

I'm unable to find anything in my texts which says {-be'} can't be appended
to {-neS}. Is this something which a consensus of the body of Klingon
speakers decided? I'd assumed the meaning would be the inverse - in this
case, a non-honorific. While it might be true that it doesn't mean
"dishonorably" (more like "not honorably"), an honorific has been negated,
so that should mean something non-positive. I do see now in TKD that it is
used only in addressing someone of higher rank; so you can fight to the
death only with a social/military/political superior? 

>where you're getting the idea of "scattered" from.  Maybe it's from 
>the {-mey} on {lom}.  But a {lom} is not a body part (correct me
>rammarians if I'm wrong on this), and would normally take a {-mey}.

NP. I had seen a body (even in death) as being the biggest part possible
(the whole being the biggest part of any item), but I'm familiar with other
languages which treat the body as a different class from the body parts. Is
there a reference for this? Or it is true by consensus?

>And finally, {-Ha'} always follows the verb root (though we have a canon
>example otherwise), and so you can't put it after {-neS}.

Reading in TKD that {-Ha'} was a rover like {-be'}, {-qu'} and {-Qo'}, I
missed the short paragraph on pg. 48 identifying this is a rover which
doesn't rove.(???)
 
> chIl'eghbogh nejwI'

>tlhaQ qechvam.  nuqDaq bIchIl'eghpu'?

parmaqqaywI' molDaq jIchIl'eghpu'. jInej'eghtaH.

nejwI'

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