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Re: KLIC - My thesis project
- From: Qov <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: KLIC - My thesis project
- Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:57:56 -0800
jatlh charghwI'
> DeghwI' SoH 'ej DeghwI' jIHbe'. ngoDmey vISovbe'
> Daghojba'ta' 'ach loQ chomISmoH. qayajchoH vIneH.
>
> On Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:34:27 -0800 Qov <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > chungtaHvIS Duj (choHtaHvIS 'et lurgh, tel lurgh joq), "pitch" "yaw"
"roll"
> > je DIqel.
> > SaSbe'taHvIS Duj, "attitude" wIqel.
> > qechmey pIm bIH.
>
> chungtaHvIS Duj, Duj Do wIqel 'e' vIpIH. lurghmaj wIjaHbogh
> ghor chuq wISeHbogh joq DIchoH wIneHchugh 'utbej 'et lurgh
> tel lurgh joq 'e' vIpIH. chay' jIQagh?
>
> [As an aside, I know that physicists
> consider "velocity" and "speed" to be completely different
> concepts. [...] Velocity would be the speed and actual direction of
travel.]
Dona' wIqel. potlh lurgh. wej ghu' vImuch.
=It is definitely velocity that we are considering. Direction is
important. I will present three situations.
wa') chunglI' Duj. wa' lup ret QIt ghoS, DaH nom ghoS. choHbe' He lurgh.
choHbe' 'Iv. 'Ivvam leHmeH 'et pepHa'nISmoH chIjwI'. vaj loQ choH 'et
lurgh. ('et pepHa'be'chugh chIjwI', Sal Duj). SaSchoHtaHvIS Duj,
*pitch*lI' 'oH. mevpu'DI' SaSchoHghach, *pitch attitude* chu' much Duj.
=1) A vessel accelerates. A second ago it was going slowly, now it is
going fast. The direction of the course does not change. The altitude
does not change. In order to maintain this altitude, the pilot must lower
the nose. Thus the direction of the nose changes slightly. (If the pilot
did not lower the nose, the vessel would ascend). While the ship is
changing horizontalness, it is making a pitching movement. When the change
in horizontal state has ceased, the ship presents a new pitch attitude.
cha') tlhe' Duj. choH lurgh. Duj tlhe'choHmoHmeH chIjwI', tel
SaSbe'choHmoH. *roll* 'oH SaSbe'choHlI'ghachvetlh'e'. tlhe'taHvIS,
*roll*taHbe'. SaSbe'taH tel, 'ach choHbe' SaSbe'ghachDaj. wa' *bank
attitude* leH Duj. tlhe' 'e' mevrupDI' chIjwI', tel SaSqa'moH. *roll* 'oH
je SaSchoHlI'ghachvetlh'e'.
=2) A vessel turns. The direction changes. In order to start the vessel
into the turn, the navigator inclines the wings. That process of inclining
is roll. While it turns, it does not continue to roll. The wing
continues to be not horizontal, but the incline does not change. The
vessel maintains one bank attitude. When the pilot is ready to stop
turning, s/he returns the wings to level. That process of change in
horizontal state is also roll.
wej) ghIrchoH Duj. QuQ HoS SabmoH HoD 'ej bIngDaq *pitch* 'et. choH
*pitch attitude*.
=3) The vessel starts a descent. The pilot reduces the power and the nose
pitches down. The pitch attitude has changed.
> > chaq vIDellaH:
> > bank attitude - SaSbe'taHvIS telmey
> > roll - SaSchoHtaHvIS telmey
>
> *bank attitude* juvmeH tel lurgh juvlu', qar'a'?
tel lurgh juvlu''a'? HISlaH 'ach ghobe' ... naQjej 'oHchugh tel'e', naQjej
DoS'e' wISaHbe' ... 'ach DaH DI'vI' HollIj vIlaD. DamughDI' qech 'ut
Dachel. (taHjaj <taH> lo'laHbe' 'oghwI').
= The wings direction is measured? Yes and no. If the wing is a spear, we
don't care about it's target, per se ... but now I read your English. When
you translated it, you added the necessary idea. (May the inventor of
useless <taH>, himself taH).
> =In order to measure the bank attitude, the wing's angle is
> measured, yes?
> *roll* qellu'DI' tel vanglI'ghach qellu'. qaS choH 'ar? tel
> lurgh choH Do juvnISlu'. chung'a' lurgh?
SaSchoHtaHvIS tel, *roll* Duj. 'utbe' choH'e'. loQ choHlaH. QIt choHlaH.
nom choHlaH. choHlI'chugh, vaj *roll* Duj.
> SaSbe'chugh tel 'ach choHbe' tel lurgh, choHtaH muD Duj
> lurgh.
'utbe'. SaSbe'taHvIS tel 'ej choHbe'taHvIS tel lurgh, choHnISbe' Duj
lurgh. *slip* 'oH QoDvam'e'.
> > pitch attitude - SaSbe'ghach, 'et peplu'pu'/'o' peplu'pu'
> > pitch movement - SaSchoHtaHvIS 'et 'o' je
>
> pagh 'oHlaH'a' *pitch attitude*?
*pitch attitude* juvmeH, mI'mey lulo'be'lu', 'ach qechlIj vIyajlaw'.
HIja'. qughtaHvIS Duj, <qughmeH *pitch attitude*> much Duj. 'et pepbe'lu'
'ej pepHa'be'lu'.
=Pitch attitude isn't measures in numbers, but I think I undertand your
idea. Yes. While the vessel is cruising, it presents a "cruise attitude".
The nose is neither raised nor lowered.
> *pitch attitude* qellu'meH qatlh SaSbe'nIS tel?
SaSbe'nISbe'bej tel. SaSlaH tel. 'et/'o' SaSbe'ghach vIqel. tlhegh
nechDaq vIH Duj, *pitch*taHvIS.
=The wing does not have to be not inclined. The wing can be horizontal. It
is the non-horizontality of the aft/fore that I am considering. A vessel
moves about a horizontal line [axis] when it pitches.
> 'et DoS je rarbogh tlheghHey'e' lurgh juvlu'. SaSchugh pagh 'oH *pitch
> attitude*. bIngDaq DoSvam tu'lu'chugh vaj taH muD Duj
qar Hoch
> 'ej ghIrlI' muD Duj. DungDaq DoSvam tu'lu'chugh Sal muD Duj.
'ach qarbejbe'. Duj yIqel. ghIrbe'bogh Duj 'ej Salbe'bogh. 'ugh Duj.
(pI' raQpo') puvmeH Duj, 'et peplu'. (tel, vIHbogh SuS QeD je
luqelnISlu'. yIlaj. 'ughchugh Duj, 'Iv leHmeH, DungDaq 'et DoS tu'lu'.)
pay', raQpo' ror Qollu'. tISchoH Duj. choHbe'chugh HoS, 'Ivvetlh leHmeH
'et pepHa'nISlu'.
= But that's not necessarily so. Consider a ship. The ship neither
descends nor ascends. The ship is heavy. (The passenger is fat). In
order to fly, the nose is raised. (The wing and aerodynamics need to be
taken into account. Accept it: If the ship is heavy, the nose needs to
point up in order for it to maintain altitude). Suddenly the fat passenger
is beamed away. The ship becomes light. If the power does not change, the
nose must be lowered in order to maintain that altitude.
> > yaw - tlhegh chongDaq tlhe'taHvIS
>
> pIm'a' muD Duj lurgh muD Duj DoStlhegh lurgh. lurghmeyvam
> yIjuv. [I really want to say {pIm 'ar?}, but I know I
> can't.]
rut pIm. 'ach qechwIj vIjatlhchu'be'law'. *vertical axis* 'oH <tlhegh
chong>'e'. *yaw* juvmeH, *degree*mey lulo'lu'.
> DaH jImev 'ej jImej. latlh Qu' vIta'nIS.
qaDachugh chaq vay' vIchav. reH latlh Qu' vIta'nIS, 'ach jabbI'IDmey
vIlabtaH...
=If I were to act as you do, maybe I'd accomplish something. I always have
other tasks to get done, but here I am playing with my e-mail.
[Some of those words are SUCH fun to say. "SaSbe'nISbe'bej" and
"SaSbe'choHlI'ghachvetlh'e'." ]