tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sun Jul 16 20:01:48 2000
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RE: Deixis and direction
While what SuStel says is well stated and perfectly accurate to what I
believed to be true for years, I think it is safe to say that if there is no
{-Daq} or {-vo'} on the direct object of {ghoS}, it is typically a safe bet
that you are talking about motion toward the direct object. While
technically, it can also refer to motion away from the direct object, people
here will almost ALWAYS use {-vo'} when they want to mean "away from".
During my one HolQeD interview with Okrand, I explained to him the way we'd
been using it and asked him if that was common, reasonable usage and he
agreed. I was not trying to lead him to a conclusion. I wanted to open a
door for him to correct our usage and he didn't walk through it. It seems
that if you mean "toward", then {-Daq} is optional, but if you mean "away
from", the {-vo'} is somewhat less optional.
charghwI'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Trimboli [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 1:45 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Deixis and direction
>
>
> jatlh Albert Arendsen:
> > The most interesting verb in this sense is ofcourse /ghoS/, for you can
> > go TO somewhere, and also FROM somewhere. If you use /ghoS/ with a
> > direct object, it isn't obviously clear whether you're going TO or FROM
> > that object, while /-vo'/ and /-Daq/ nouns would make that clear, even
> > allowing you to express a motion from A to B... Personally I would say
> > that /ghoS/, if used with a direct object without either /-Daq/ or
> > /-vo'/ would indicate a motion TO that object, but how a Dutchman thinks
> > isn't necessarily what a Klingon thinks, though some would say Dutch
> > does sound like Klingon *grin*.
>
> The general consensus, with which I agree, is that the object of /ghoS/ is
> the PATH of movement. Thus,
>
> yuQ vIghoS
>
> usually tends to mean "I head toward the planet," but it might
> also mean "I
> head away from the planet." /yuQ/ indicates something relevant to your
> course.
>
> In fact, "follow a course of" would be a good general translation
> of /ghoS/.
>
> You'd have /-Daq/ or /-vo'/ on there to clarify your meaning.
>
> SuStel
> Stardate 533.2