tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Jul 06 20:31:28 2000
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RE: Honor
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Andeen [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 6:14 PM
> To: '[email protected]'
> Subject: RE: Honor
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>
> jatlh pIl'o':
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> > Is there any difference between <quv> and <batlh> as nouns?
> > I understand that <batlh> is also adverb while <quv> is also verb.
>
> The difference, as I have come to understand it, is that <quv> refers more
> to someone's personal honor, and <batlh> is more honor in the abstract. We
> have never, for example, seen a canon example of <batlh> in an possessive
> construction, but there are plenty with <quv>.
I wish I saw an explanation of this with a credible source, either as an
explanation from Okrand or examples given to show evidence to this effect.
I know that, for myself, I generally use whichever noun will be least
ambiguous in the sentence. I'll use {quv} when the word appears where no
verb or adjective could go and I use {batlh} where no adverbial could go.
For example, I'd say:
quv vItoy'.
bortaS poQ Qanqor batlh.
If I'd said, {batlh vItoy'}, I might have meant "I serve him honorably"
instead of "I serve honor." If I'd said {bortaS poQ Qanqor quv} I might have
meant "The honored Krankor requires vengence," instead of "Krankor's honor
requires vengence."
Other than that, I know of no difference whatsoever in the meaning of {quv}
and {batlh} as nouns.
> > Are there any differences in the meanings of <quvmoH> and <batlhmoH>?
>
> HIja'. wot 'oHbe'mo' <batlh>'e', Hatbej <batlhmoH>. 'ach mub
> <batlh moH> . .
> .
Huch luHutlh loSSaD qIDwI'pu' 'ej qIDHomqoqvam DachenmoH.
reH qIDrup qIDwI''a'.
'ej reH Suvrup qIDwI'Hom.
> pagh
> Beginners' Grammarian
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