tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Jan 31 14:41:01 2000
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Re: *Egypt*ngan Hol vIDelqa'
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: *Egypt*ngan Hol vIDelqa'
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:40:28 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
- In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
- Priority: NORMAL
I feel a need to support SuStel in this. Using
abbreviations may seem cute, but they distract beginners
from really learning to communicate with the language. They
have an artificial "coolness" that is like candy where food
is needed.
In general, I tend to choose to teach by example in this
regard. I don't use abbreviations, typically either in
English or in Klingon. Meanwhile, given the negative
response I've seen to this post, I feel called upon to
speak out in support of SuStel's position so he and
everyone else knows that he is not alone in his belief.
He who would use abbreviations would sleep on a soft bed.
charghwI'
On Sat, 29 Jan 2000 10:28:27 -0500 David Trimboli
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Ack! My Lurk Mode button seems to be jammed in the OFF position!
>
> We should not encourage the perpetuation of "abbreviations." We are not
> abbreviating written Klingon, we are abbreviating an English transcription
> system of spoken Klingon. I think Klingons would NOT recognize any of these
> abbreviations.
>
> And since we type in a transcription system which is meant to describe how
> Klingon SOUNDS, not how it is written, just how would you pronounce
> {tlh.w.D}? And even if Klingons do have a pronouncable abbreviation of this
> (which we have not seen), only Marc Okrand has the means to discover what it
> is.
>
> Let us not succumb to regionalizing the KLI or this mailing list. Like the
> Klingons, we should accept {ta' Hol} as the correct standard. We should be
> aware of known regional variations, perhaps even learning some. But the
> creation of a new KLI or mailing list regional variation will only serve to
> confuse people. It's cute, but imagine the newcomer who thinks he's
> expected to learn and use these abbreviations.
>
>
> SuStel
> Stardate 78.4
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steven Boozer <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 1:35 PM
> Subject: Re: *Egypt*ngan Hol vIDelqa'
>
>
> > : ghItlh Holtej:
> > :>> tlhIngan Hol. Segh wa' 'oH moHaq'e' (jI-, Da-, lj). Segh
> > :>> cha' 'oH mu'na''e' (jIH, SoH, lj).
> > :>
> > :> Hmm, {lj}, {latlh je}, qar'a'? :)
> > :
> > : HIja'; Daloychu'!
> > :
> > : -- ter'eS
> >
> > <<l.j.>> vIparHa' jIH je.
> >
> > I can only think of two other abbreviations that I've seen used on this
> list:
> > tlh.w.D. (tlhIngan wo' Duj) = IKV/IKS (Imperial Klingon Vessel/Ship) and
> > tlh.H.y. (tlhIngan Hol yejHaD) = KLI (Klingon Language Institute). Of
> course,
> > neither has been vetted by Okrand, but still I'm surprised that we haven't
> > developed a few more to use amongst ourselves over the years this list has
> been
> > in existence.
> >
> > I suppose that's not surprising in view of the reluctance of most even to
> use
> > numerals instead of spelling numbers out in full (e.g. DIS cha' SanID vs.
> DIS
> > 2000).