tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Jan 25 14:47:45 2000
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Re: talking about the degree of quality of something
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: talking about the degree of quality of something
- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:45:55 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
- In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:06:35 -0500 (EST)
[email protected] wrote:
>
> How do I indicate the degree of a quality?
There is no one way.
> For example, how would I ask:
> "How fierce is the Kro'hgXXXXXX<Qogh>?"
>
> I tried <chay' qu' Qogh>, but that would be "How is the <Qogh> fierce?"
qu'qu''a' Qogh?
If you ask a yes/no question that includes some reference
to degree, it opens the conversation to natural commentary
on the degree.
> Would <'ar> work here?
No.
> Say if I had a noun for "fierceness".
Possibly, but you are thinking in English where nouns have
much more signficance than they do in Klingon, where often
things are spoken in short sentence clusters:
qu''a' Qogh? yInoH! yIDel!
> I thought
> about <Qogh *fierceness 'ar> but that seems to be missing a verb.
It is. Then you have the problem of figuring out what verb
to use and you'd probably fall to one of the commonly
overused English verbs. What do you do with fierceness? You
"have" it. So, you'd reach for {ghaj} and probably be
speaking in gibberish since you can't be sure that {ghaj}
covers the kind of "having" that one "has" for abstracts
like fierceness.
We do have {butlh Daghaj} as a known Klingon sentence,
where {butlh} is symbolic for an abstract concept, but we'd
need a symbol for fierceness in order to make sure that
this works. It is safer to back up and take another
approach.
> Also, how do I express the ideas "lukewarm", "warm", "room temperature",
> "cool" and "chilly"?
Others have answered this. I'll just note that it is much
like Klingon indicates colors. Since Klingon doesn't have
many color words, they use one to indicate that color is
what we're talking about (though it would be nice to have a
word that just means "color"), then the verb {rur} is used.
Since {SuD} means both blue and green, you can indicate the
difference with {SuD Dochvam. chal rur,} or {SuD Dochvam.
tI rur.}
bIr. chuch rur.
bIr. bIQtIq rur.
bIr. loghDaq SuvwI' rur.
loQ tuj. 'Iw rur.
tujqu'. qul rur.
> I have <tuj> "hot", <tujqu'> for "boiling",
You obviously made that up.
> <bIr>
> "cold", <bIrqu"> for "freezing"
You obviously made that up, too.
> but how do I express the qualities in
> between? I also have <Hat> for "temperature".
As has been pointed out, we don't have any units of measure
for temperature, so we can only describe how something is
hot or cold and what it resembles.
> --
> De'vID
charghwI'