I was thinking... when we want to make a noun that reflects a verb we can use -wI', but this only works if the thing is the subject of the verb. Is there a way to do this with the object> (e.g. in English there is the distinctions between Payer [DIlwI'] and Payee [DIl-???]) jenwI' *mutta'* tuq [email protected] http://www.nine9.ukshells.co.uk