tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Nov 22 15:08:13 1999
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RE: *Egypt* Hol navmey
- From: "Andeen, Eric" <[email protected]>
- Subject: RE: *Egypt* Hol navmey
- Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:07:13 -0700
jIjatlh:
> >Qoch.
jang DujHoD:
> I tend to think of the quote as a direct object to the verb.
> For example, in
>
> jatlh vay':
> >vay' vIjatlhlI'.
>
> I think of "vay' vIjatlhlI'" as being the direct object of
> {jatlh}.
A quote is never the direct object of anything. It is a quote. Okrand has
been very specific about this. The object of <jatlh> (if any) can be a
language (Hol), a speech (SoQ), a sentence (mu'tlhegh), or other similar
things, but if it's a quote, it's a quote, not an object. The object of
<ja'> (if any) is probably always a person or something else which is spoken
to. Quotes can go either before or after the associated sentence, and the
verb prefix does not treat the quote like an object. Examples:
jIjatlh <jIghung>. - "I said 'I am hungry'".
<bImoH> qaja'. - "I told you 'you are ugly'".
muja' matlh <DaH DayajchoH!>. - "Maltz said to me 'Now you are beginning to
understand!'".
The <> punctuation for quotes is in there was for clarity, but Okrand does
not use it.
> {Qoch} will not work this way. {Qoch} is almost certainly an
> intransitive verb.
jIQochbe'. 'ach qay'be'chu'.
When I say <jang vay':> in a message, I don't mean "Someone answered the
following", I just mean "someone answered". I've also used quote lines like
<mu' <veb> qel charghwI', ghunchu'wI' je:> or <ghoH DoghwI'pu':>. The point
of the sentence is *NOT* that the quote is its object; it just describes the
quote that follows and (most importantly) attributes it to whoever wrote it
in the first place.
> (Actually, if the quote is a direct object, Klingon grammar
> dictates that it should look more like this:
>
> >vay' vIjatlhlI'.
> :jatlh vay'
nuqjatlh?
> but I still consider the quotes to be direct objects. Beside,
> that looks rather ugly to human eyes.)
Quotes are not objects.
pagh
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