tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Nov 17 08:14:28 1999
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Annoyance
- From: Banks Sgt Christopher J <[email protected]>
- Subject: Annoyance
- Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:01:31 -0800
Ok, ok. I've been on the list now for some 3 weeks and have only
very recently begun studying the language. I.E. Memorizing the verb prefixes
and word ordering while using a sort of passive learning to help me along. I
figured I'd start throwing out what I "think I've learned". However, before
doing so let me express an opinion. I know a lot of you on the list that
know a whole lot more then I do not try to come off as arrogant and
demoralizing to the beginners. But a lot of you don't succeed very well. I'm
surprised there's any beginners left after some of the word lashings, as it
is. I thought this was suppose to be an impartial list dedicated to the
continuation of the Klingon language? If it truly is to be a place such as
that, please reevaluate your posts to us newbies for what I've stated. If it
sounds a bit condescending to you, it probably crescendos on those whose its
targeted on. Ok, sorry for the long ramble, but I thought it had to be said.
Now, please correct these extremely basic sentences and let me know how I
can grow as a speaker in this wonderful language.
jISopta' -I have eaten
(Could this also mean I have already ate? It may seem like a
silly question, but hey I did say I was a beginner.)
Qa'wej chollI'be'
-The three animals are not getting closer
(Butchered this one, didn't I)
Just a few for today. Let me know the error of my ways if you could. Thanks.
Guan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William H. Martin [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 7:29 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: KLBC Help with a word...
>
>
> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:56:17 EST [email protected] wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 99-11-16 21:02:15 EST, you write:
> >
> > << Hmm. Ways of saying the first sentence which I'm coming
> up with tend to
> > weaken the poetry of the second... You may have to
> translate the two
> > sentences together...
> >
> > choHtaHbogh bIQtIq lIghbogh Duj'e' rur najwI'....
> >
> > Hmmm... A dreamer is like a vessel which rides an
> ever-changing river. It
> > sums up a large part...but still there's something
> essential (which I cannot
> > quite put my finger on) missing.
>
> Please realize that you have put KLBC in your subject header,
> indicating that you evaluate yourself to be a beginner in the
> use of the language, yet here you are, attempting to translate
> somebody else's poetry.
>
> If you were trying to learn French, would you be doing this?
> Think about it:
>
> As a beginner, simply speaking your own thoughts is a challenge
> and it should be a challenge you are proud to embrace. But no.
> You want to translate someone ELSE'S thoughts. And even that is
> not enough. You want to translate someone else's POETRY.
>
> Would you please look at yourself and reevaluate your chosen
> task? There will either be years enough for you to learn to use
> the language well enough to do poetry, or there won't. If there
> are, then you should wait until you have experienced them before
> attempting this. If there aren't then, well, you shouldn't be
> attempting this. Either way, you shouldn't be attempting this
> NOW.
>
> KLBC + poetry = trouble.
>
> KLBC + somebody ELSE'S poetry = big trouble.
>
> I honestly think you will learn more meaningful stuff if you
> stick to prose until you have mastered it before taking on
> poetry. Otherwise, we'll just go through frustratingly recursive
> bouts of "No, that is not quite what I meant."
>
> > juDmoS
>
> charghwI'
>