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RE: nuq Qub latlhpu'? (KLBC)



jatlh peHruS:

>ghItlh pImDaq <*tIlt*be' yuQ Qo'noS> vIlaDpu'.  vaj *seasons* ghajbe'law'.

>*seasons* ghaj yuQmey toy'moHlu'pu'bogh:  chovnatlhmey bIH *Trahn*'e'  
>*Klairos*'e' je.  Qo'noS Du'Daq wIjbej wIjwI'pu' 'e' wISov.  poch 'ej yob.
>
>nuq Qub latlhpu'?


jatlh qa'ral:

> jIHvaD je Dajqu' Qo'noS yuQQeD HuchQeD je.  jIQochbe'.
> bIHbej tlhingan wIjwI'pu''e'.

You're trying to say "there are ..." here, but this is not the way to do it.
Aside from using the wrong pronoun (bIH instead of chaH), this means "They
are ...". Who are "they"?

Fortunately, a few examples from Okrand give us the correct way to say
"there are ...": <tu'lu'>. My favorite example is <QuvlIjDaq yIH
tu'be'lu'jaj>. So if we're talking about Klingon farmers, the correct form
would be:

tlhIngan wIjwI'pu' lutu'lu'bej.

> Satlh lumagh chab, Dargh, HIq je.

I don't think <magh> works here. I understood it perfectly, but only because
I speak English. I doubt a Klingon would understand how <chab>, <Dargh>, and
<HIq> can "betray" agriculture. You could use <'ang>. You could also reverse
the sentence and use <lIng>:

chab, Dargh, HIq je lIngba' Satlh.

<HIq> is questionable. We don't know for certain that any Klingon <HIq> is
produced from vegetable matter. We can surmise that <pubtaHbogh ghargh HIq>
and <'Iw HIq> are both produced from animal matter, but I won't hazard a
guess about the rest.

Of course, <Satlh> and <wIj> probably also include raising domestic food
animals.

> Satlh ghajbe'bogh yuQDaq 'oHbe'law' tayqeq'e' 'Itlh.

I think this is another case where you should be using <tu'lu'> rather than
a pronoun:

Satlh Hutlhbogh yuQDaq tayqeq 'Itlh tube'lu'law'.

> chaq *nomads* bIH qeylIS SuvwI'pu''e'.
> Ha'DIbaH lusop.  Satlh tayqeq lucharghDI' joH Segh moj.
> vaj nIvchoH SuvwI' tIghmey.  Sa'pu'vaD yeq'a'mey nob ta'.

nuq 'oS <yeq>'e'? <yer> Dalo' 'e' DaHech, qar'a'?

> Soghpu'vaD vengmey Du'mey je nob Sa'.
> chaq wej Qo'noSDaq notlhchoHpu' *feudalism*.

maj. <-pu'> Dalo'chu'.

> tlhoS beQlaw' juHqo' 'ej *seasons* ghajbe' 
> 'e' vIlaDpu' jIH je.  qarlaw'.

chay' beQ? HuDmey Hutlh'a'?

> law'chugh bIQ'a' HuD thlegh'a' je, 

I'd throw a comma in after <bIQ'a'>, just to avoid confusion.

> choHqu'chugh muD, 
> wa'SaD vaghvatlh ben Hoch yuQ charghlaHpu'be' qeylIS.
  
> ghot law' mawlaw' qechvam.  
> chaq Qub, qa' ral lughajchugh tlhinganpu', 
> ghor muD je ral ghajbej tlhingan juHqo'.

> tlhingan wo' mID bIH'a' *Trahn*'e' *Klairos*'e' je?  vISovlaw'be'.

jISovbe' je jIH.

Watch the <I>'s in <tlhIngan>.

> P.S.  Dajatlh:  "jIghelnIS:  chay' pIm mu' {ruQ} mu' {raQ} je?"  
> mu' {ghel} {pIm} je ghajbe' mu'ghom vIgherbogh.  nuQ 'oS?

TKD-Daq <pIm> Datu'bej. "be different" 'oS.
KGT-Daq <ghel> Datu'. "ask (a question)" 'oS.



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