tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sat Jul 17 17:06:56 1999
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Re: qep'a' javDIch schedule posted
ja' peHruS:
><< >nuqjatlh? nuq 'oS mu' {pawpu'ghach}?
>
> It has a literal meaning of "having arrived", which I might translate into
> more fluid English as "arrival".
>
> >DIp chu' chenmoHmeH mIwvam, wot mojaq Segh Soch ngaSDI', vaj ghu'vam
>vIparqu'.
>
> "In order for this procedure to cause a new noun to form, as soon as it
> contains a type seven verb suffix, thus I really dislike this situation."
>
> mu'tlheghvam vIyajchu'be'. nuqDaq DIp chu' Dalegh? ghu' Daqelbogh vISovbe'.
> >>
>================
>mu' chu' 'oH mu' {pawpu'ghach}'e'.
wejpuH. mu' chu' 'oHbe'chu' mu'na'vam'e'.
mojaqmey vIchelDI' neH, chu'choHbe'bej mu'.
chu''a' <vIchelDI'>? ghobe'.
chu''a' <chu'choHbe'bej>? ghobe'.
chu''a' <pawpu'ghach>? ghobe'!
>naDev vIlegh. qatlh Daleghbe'?
mu'vetlh vIleghbej, 'ach 'oH DabuS 'e' vIqelbe', chu'be'mo' 'oH.
>SoQ'a' mInDu'lIj? mu'vam Da'oghpu', ghunchu'wI'?
Huj mu' <'ogh>. chaq mu' vIchenmoHmeH mu' 'ay'mey vItay'moH.
vItay'moHtaHvIS, jIpabchu', qar'a'?
mu'na'vam vI'oghqu'be'ba'pu'.
>qabmaj tlhopDaq 'oHtaHbogh ghu''e' vIqel jay'.
ghu' Daqelbogh vIghovbe'taH. HIchuH.
>maj. mu' {pawpu'ghach} chenmoHmeH mIw neH vIpar. vIchenmoHmeH, wot mojaq
>Segh Soch vIlo'qangbe'. Qobqu' ghu'vam.
qatlh Qob? yIQIj. pIj mIwvam lo'lu'chugh, pIj QIvlaw' mu'tlheghmey.
'ach rut QaQ, 'ej rut qaq, qar'a'?
>The perfective in such a
>construction must indicate that the arrival has already taken place.
Thus I gave it a literal translation of "having arrived". If it had a
"continuous" aspect like {-taH}, I would have translated it as "arriving."
>Klingon
>is not like another language any of us has ever encountered. Still, I have
>trouble believing it is so different as to use Aspect markers within nouns.
maj. yIHarqangQo'. yImob'eghmoH.
nIteb Marc Okrand paQDI'norgh lajQo'bogh nuv yImoj.
A verb with verb suffixes is not a "new word", and Okrand says that using
a Type 7 aspect suffix with the Type 9 verb suffix {-ghach} is just fine.
If you want to reject Okrand's words again, be my guest. But don't expect
many people to agree with you.
-- ghunchu'wI'