tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Jan 27 11:54:32 1999
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Near and far
peHruS:
:> I had figured that {Sumchuq X Y je} would work. Does the interview
:> confirm or contradict this?
charghwI':
: Oops. Suddenly, I am knocked down by a sudden gust of memory.
: {Sumchuq X Y je} would NOT work because {Sum} can ONLY be
: intransitive. It is a verb that can be used adjectivally, so it
: can never take an object. The {-chuq} suffix, despite its
: verb's prefix indicating differently, always implies transitivity.
So, to review my own recollection of the interview (I don't have it in front of
me at the moment). MO stated on the old MSN Expert Forum (9/97):
As for how to use {Sum} "be near, nearby"--that will require
some more time with Maltz. {Do' Sum matlh.} I would think,
however, that it would work the same way as {Hop} "be far".
The implication is that, by default and absent any other indication, these
verbs refer to distance *from the speaker*. Thus:
Sum X Y je
X and Y are nearby (my location)
Hop X Y je
X and Y are far away (from my location)
Which explains the Klingon's response to the Terran tourist's request in CK, as
well as the Terran's follow-up question:
T. yejquv vaS'a' vISuch vIneH.
I want to visit the Great Hall of the High Council.
cha'puj tlhIlHal vISuch vIneH.
I want to visit the dilithium mines.
K. Sum Daqmeyvam, tera'ngan.
These places are nearby, Terran.
T. pa' jIyIt'a'?
Can I walk there?
See also the noun phrase {logh Hop} "deep space" in SkyBox DSN99 - i.e. space
which is far away from the speaker, who is probably assumed to be on his or her
homeworld unless otherwise stated.
To say however that X and Y are located near *each other* (the speaker's
location being irrelevant), you would say:
Y-Daq Sum X.
X is near Y.
But WRT "X is far from Y", do we say:
Y-Daq Hop X.
or
Y-vo' Hop X.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons