tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Feb 11 08:06:34 1999
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Re: Hoch
mujang ghunchu'wI':
> The {nIn Hoch} example is neither "all fuels" nor "each fuel". ...
> {nIn Hoch} is "all _of_ the fuel", and on the Skybox card {HochHom}
> refers to "most _of_ (the 23rd century)". They are not counting objects,
> they are describing a part of a single object.
DaQIjchu'ta'! vIyaj 'ej vIlaj.
> We have yet to see {'op} or {pagh} used after a noun, so we don't know if
it
> works that way in general.
We do have an example of {'op} *before* its noun:
DujvamDaq 'op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh po' law' tlhIngan yo' SuvwI' law' po' puS.
It [IKC Pagh] has... some of the finest warriors in the Klingon fleet.
(SkyBox S7)
But I don't think that's a counterexample to your explanation. Apparently the
position of {Hoch} and {'op} before a noun signals that it's a count noun, as
{SuvwI'} is used here (so that {Hoch SuvwI'} would have meant "all [the]
warriors" [on the ship]); and the position of {Hoch} and {'op} after a noun
signals that it's a mass noun, as {nIn} is in the previous example. I hadn't
realized, until you pointed it out, that {nIn} can be used as either count
noun or mass noun, depending on what you want to say. Not all nouns can do
that, of course.
> And we haven't actually gotten an official
> description of why {nIn Hoch} and {vatlh DISpoH cha'maH wej HochHom} are
> the way they are. But it makes sense ...
muyonmoHchu'mo' meq'e' Dachupbogh, vIpab 'e' vInab.
--jey'el