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Re: Hoch

mujang ghunchu'wI':

> The {nIn Hoch} example is neither "all fuels" nor "each fuel". ...
>  {nIn Hoch} is "all _of_ the fuel", and on the Skybox card {HochHom} 
>  refers to "most _of_ (the 23rd century)".  They are not counting objects, 
>  they are describing a part of a single object. 

DaQIjchu'ta'!  vIyaj 'ej vIlaj.  

>  We have yet to see {'op} or {pagh} used after a noun, so we don't know if
>  works that way in general.  

We do have an example of {'op} *before* its noun:

DujvamDaq 'op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh po' law' tlhIngan yo' SuvwI' law' po' puS. 
 It [IKC Pagh] has... some of the finest warriors in the Klingon fleet.
(SkyBox S7)

But I don't think that's a counterexample to your explanation.  Apparently the
position of {Hoch} and {'op} before a noun signals that it's a count noun, as
{SuvwI'} is used here (so that {Hoch SuvwI'} would have meant "all [the]
warriors" [on the ship]); and the position of {Hoch} and {'op} after a noun
signals that it's a mass noun, as {nIn} is in the previous example.  I hadn't
realized, until you pointed it out, that {nIn} can be used as either count
noun or mass noun, depending on what you want to say.  Not all nouns can do
that, of course.

>  And we haven't actually gotten an official
>  description of why {nIn Hoch} and {vatlh DISpoH cha'maH wej HochHom} are
>  the way they are.  But it makes sense ...

muyonmoHchu'mo' meq'e' Dachupbogh, vIpab 'e' vInab.  


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