Re: adverb suffixes???

["William H. Martin" <whm2m@virginia.edu>]

On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:43:38 -0500 David Trimboli 
<SuStel@email.msn.com> wrote:

> jatlh DujHoD:
> > > toH! pa''e' neH wInejbe'pu'.
> > > Direct translation: Argh! There is the only place we haven't looked for
> him.
> 
> 
> jatlh charghwI':
> > In this case {pa'} is an adverbial, not a noun
> 
> 
> I'm sure by the time you read this, you've already realized your mistake,
> and are chuckling.  {pa'} is a noun.
 
HIvqa' veqlargh. chay' Qaghvetlh vIchenmoH? jIchechba'pu'.
 
> > and cannot take
> > {-'e'} unless you want to say "the room" instead of "there".
> 
> 
> Even as a noun, the restriction concerning {pa'} (and {naDev} and {Dat}, as
> described on TKD pp.27-8) only apply to use of the locative suffix.  There
> is no restriction against using any other Type 5 noun suffix.  {pa'vo'}
> means either "from thereabouts" or "from the room," and {pa''e'} means
> "THEREABOUTS (as topic)" or "the ROOM (as topic)."
> 
> pa''e' neH wInejbe'pu'.
> 
> I'd say this means "Only THEREABOUTS have we not searched for him/her/it."
> Smooth translation: "That's the only place we haven't looked."
> 
> Works for me!

Qapba'.
 
> By the way, we've also seen {-vo'} on another of those three exceptional
> nouns: {naDev}.
> 
> naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'?
> Can we get to the Great Hall from here?
> 
> Not only does it demonstrate and prove that other Type 5 noun suffixes can
> go on those exceptional nouns, but it also clearly violates the new
> information Okrand provided us in HolQeD Vol. 7 No. 4.  Obviously, the two
> Federation crewmen are not trying to "go" while inside the Great Hall.  But
> that's okay; there are lots of violations of this newer rule in the audio
> tapes.  I simply consider the new rule to be occasionally true.
> 
> > It is odd that he chose to make {pa'} an adverbial, but {naDev}
> > a noun, but hey, I didn't write this language...
> 
> 
> DujlIj yIvoq!  <pa'> DaqelDI' DujlIj qar law' yablIj qar puS!
> 
> 
> SuStel
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charghwI'