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RE: KLBC - pagh, cholIjchu'neS'a'?



lab tuv'el:

I think I've seen sections one through three before, and they look good. I
will comment on the rest.

> KLBC - pagh, cholIjchu'neS'a'?
> 
> jIcheghta'! vaj lutwIj vIja'rupqa'.
> 
> 
> <tera'Daq lengwIj wa'DIch> 'ay' wa'
> lut qon tuv'el, pach puqloD
> 
> jogh wa'Daq tera' tu'lu'. Human juHqo' 'oH. qIbvamDaq tera' 
> Huj law' Hoch qo' Huj puS. tera' mach law' Qo'noS mach puS. 
> vaj jIHvaD pujlaw' tera' tlham. <San veranSISqo'> vengDaq 
> jIpawDI' Qapbe'qa' mughwI'wIj. Do' jIQuptaHvIS DIvI' Hol 
> vIHaD. jIghung; qagh vIrur. vaj tera' Soj qub jabbogh
> Qe' vInej. <'Italyan> Qe' vItu' 'ej vI'el. jabwI'vaD 
> jIjatlh <jIHvaD Soj tlhorgh yIqem>. tlhorghHa'qu' Sojqoq 
> qembogh. vutwI' quv vIqIH 'e' vIpoQ 'ej jIjatlh <Sojvam 
> vISoplaHbe'. DaH jIHvaD Soj jej yIqem!> muyajHa'mo' jIHvaD
> pIpyuS pach qem. mebpa'meyDaq jIpawDI' qagh vISuq 'e' vInID 
> 'ach qagh Qop neH vIHev jay'! tera' vISuchqa'chugh tlhIngan 
> leng Soj law' vIqembej.
> 
> <tera'Daq lengwIj wa'DIch> 'ay' cha'
> 
> tunqu' QongDaqwIj vaj ravDaq jIQong. jIvemDI' <San DI'eygho'> 
> vengDaq Hu vIleghmeH jIjaH. HochHom tera' Ha'DIbaHmey vIlegh. 
> Sargh tIn rurbogh Ha'DIbaH vIlegh 'ach tIqqu' mongDaj. jIjatlh 
> <Sargh rurlaw' Ha'DIbaHvetlh.> muQoy tera'ngan be'Hom Qup 'ej 
> mujang <ghobe'. <jI'rav> 'oH Ha'DIbaHvetlh'e' 'ach bIQ'a'Daq 
> yIn Sarghmey.> bIQDep yoSDaq jI'elpa' ghaH vIyajbe'qu' jIH.
> <SarIq> vIlegh. norgh rur tera' Ha'DIbaHvam. vaj mIS tera'ngan 
> be'Hom. Qo'noS Ha'DIbaH yoS ngaS Hu. pa' vIratlhtaHvIS tlham HoS 
> vItIvchu'. Qo'noS ghor rurbej yoSvam 'ach wa' Qagh Sagh tu'lu'. 
> SorDaq So'taHbogh yIH 'up tu'lu'! vIHoH 'e' vInID 'ach mubot 
> Surchem. Hu ra'wI' vIchuH. Qo'noSDaq yIHmey yInbe'qu'. yIHmey 
> muSchu'qu' Hoch tlhInganpu'. tlhIngan juHqo' 'oHHa' yIHmey 
> juHqo''e'. QeHqu'choHmo' ghaH jImer. nongqu'laH Humanpu' 'e'
> vISovbe'; vulqanganpu' rurbe''a'?
> 
> ramvetlh <tay> Qe' vItu'. qabqu'be' <tay> Soj.
> 
> <tera'Daq lengwIj wa'DIch> 'ay' wej
> 
> DaHjaj <parIS> veng vISuch. ram jIpaw. Human ghe'naQ vIQoy 
> vIneH. tlhIngan ghe'naQ nIt 'oHbe'ba' Human ghe'naQ nItHa''e'!  
> QoQchaj vIpar. <'ayvel> <luv> je vISuch.  runHa'qu' <'ayvel> 
> qach. Hewmey law' bey'mey law' je ngaS <luv> qach. betleH bey' 
> vIlegh 'ej <'Iw 'Ip ghommey> rurbogh Hew vIlegh. Hewmey 
> vIparHa'chu' 'ach Hujqu' bey'mey. tera' lalDan chIrgh 
> tIQ vISuchDI' <gharghoyIl> Hew vIlegh. veqlargh rur 
> <gharghoyIl>. Daj je Qorwaghmey nguv.
> 
> veb <lonDon> veng. puH'a' <bIrIteyn> puHHom je rar bIQ'a' 
> bIng 'och. naDev bogh SeQpIr. DIvI'vaD tlhIngan lutmey law' 
> tlhIngan vIttlheghmey law' tlhIngan bommey law' je mugh 
> SeQpIr. lutmeyvetlh vItlheghmeyvetlh bommeyvetlh je qon 
> SeQpIr 'e' ponchu' Humanpu'. qech Doghqu' vInuSbej!
> <lonDon>Daq tera' nuH tIQ qach vISuch. 'obmaQmey ghanjaqemy 
> jey'naSmey 'alngeghmey je vIlegh. HIchmey lutlh vIlegh 'ej 
> yanwI' Hew vIlegh. Dajqu' Human veS qun 'e' vIHar. rallaw' 
> Human no'.  DaH ralHa'choHba'pu' Humanpu'. no'chaj vIHo'. 
> 'Iw HoSmoH yol 'ach qa' pujmoH roj.

majQa'! Very nice use of suffixes on <ralHa'choHba'pu'>.

> <tera'Daq lengwIj wa'DIch> 'ay' loS
> 
> DaHjaj <SImItlhonyan> yejHaD vISuch.
> 
> puj Humanpu'; bIQ lurur, 'ach val; Huy'Du' rur.
> 
> qun qach vISuchtaHvIS Hoch bey'mey vItIv. taHbe'pu'bogh 
> Ha'DIbaHmey tIQ HomDu' vIHaD. Dajqu' loghQeD qach. janmey 
> lutlhqu' chabmey chu' je ngaS qachvetlh. 
> puvbogh Duj latlh vIlegh.

Yikes. This is a tough one. We know that <latlh> goes before the noun, not
after, but the <-bogh> clause makes it interesting. I would say this should
be <latlh puvbogh Dujmey>. Now I will duck and wait for other opinions.

> tera' bavbogh SIbDoH wa'DIch vIlegh.
> <venIQ> vIlegh je. pIvghor lo'bogh tera' Duj wa'DIch 
> 'oH Dujvetlh'e'. <venIQ> wIch lut vIghoj. qul toQ 'oH 
> <venIQ>'e'. vaghvatlh DISmey qaSDI' ru'choH qul toQ 
> 'ach boghqa'.

I see what you're going for with <ru'choH> here, but I don't think this
usage of <ru'> really works here, although a good argument would convince
me. I would suggest something with <HeghrupchoH ... 'ach boghqa'>. Also
consider something with <jub>.

> <SIqagho'> vengDaq Soj 'ey jabtaHmeH tlhIngan Qe' vItu'. 
> SojwIj vInoSbe'bejqu'.

majQa'!!! chaq tugh <SIqagho'> vISuch jIH'e'. nuqDaq 'oH Qe'vam'e'. DaH
HIja'!

> tera' vISuchtaHvIS 'e' vItIv. chaq boSuchnIS.

<tera' vISuchtaHvIS> cannot work as the first sentence in a SAO construction
- it's  not a complete sentence. This looks like you fiddled with one part
of a sentence and forgot to change the rest.

> DaH vIrInchu'ta'.

maj.

> "My first voyage to Earth" part I
> story composed by Tuv'el, son of Claw
> 
> Earth is found in the alpha quadrant.  It is the homeworld of 
> Humans.  Earth is the strangest world in this galaxy.  Earth 
> is smaller than Kronos, so Earth's gravity seemed weak to me.  
> When I arrived in the city of "San Francisco" my translator 
> stopped working again.  Luckily, I studied <English> while I 
> was young.  I was as hungry as gagh, so I looked for a
> restaurant that served Earth cuisine.  I noticed an "Italian" 
> restaurant and I went in.  I said to the waiter, "Bring some 
> pungent food for me."  The so-called food he brought was very 
> bland.  I demanded to meet the head cook and I said, "I cannot 
> eat this food.  Bring me sharp food, now!"  Because he 
> misunderstood me, he brought me pipius claws.  When I arrived 
> at the hotel, I tried to order gagh, but I received only dead 
> friggin' gagh!  If I visit Earth again, I will certainly bring 
> a lot of Klingon food to go.
> 
> "My first voyage to Earth" part II
> 
> My bed was too soft so I slept on the floor.  As soon as I 
> woke up, I went to the city of "San Diego" to see the zoo.
> I saw most of the animals of Earth.  I saw an animal that 
> looked like a large sark but it's neck was very long.  
> I said, "That animal seems to resemble a sark."  A little 
> Terran girl heard me, and replied, "No, that's a giraffe.  
> Sarks live in the ocean."  I didn't understand her before 
> I entered the fish area.  I saw a "shark." This Earth 
> animal looked like a norg.  So, the Terran girl was confused.
> The zoo contained a section for the animals of Kronos. While 
> I was there, I absolutely enjoyed the stronger gravity. This 
> section undoubtedly resembled the surface of Kronos, but 
> there was one serious error.  There was a disgusting tribble 
> hiding in a tree!  I tried to kill it but was prevented
> by a force field.  I explained clearly to the zoo's 
> commander.  Tribbles do not live on Kronos.  All Klingon's 
> utterly detest tribbles. The Klingon homeworld is not the 
> homeworld of tribbles.  I was surprised because he became 
> very angry.  I didn't know Humans could be so passionate.  
> Do they not resemble Vulcans?
> 
> I found a "Thai" restaurant that night.  "Thai" food is not 
> too bad.
> 
> "My first voyage to Earth" part III
> 
> Today I visited the city of Paris.  I arrived at night.  I 
> wanted to listen to a Human opera.  Impure Human opera is 
> obviously not Klingon Grand Opera! I dislike their music.  
> I visited the "Eiffel" and the "Louvre."  The "Eiffel" 
> building is very tall.  The "Louvre" building contains many 
> statues and displays.  I saw a Bat'telh display and a statue 
> that looked like "blood oath circles."  I really liked the 
> statues, but the displays were very strange.  When I visited 
> the ancient temple of an Earth religeon, I saw a "gargoyle" 
> statue.  A "gargoyle" resembles the Fek'lhr.  The 
> stained-glass windows were also interesting.
> 
> The city of "London" was next.  A tunnel under the ocean 
> connects the mainland to the island of "Britain."  
> Shakespeare was born hereabouts. Shakespeare translated 
> many Klingon stories, proverbs, and songs for the
> Federation.  Humans are absolutely convinced Shakespeare 
> wrote those stories, proverbs, and songs.  I certainly 
> ridicule such a foolish idea!  I visited a building of 
> ancient Earth weaponry in "London."  I saw axes, maces, 
> double-headed axes, and axes with spikes on their ends.  
> I saw primitive guns and a statue of a swordfighter.  
> I believe the history of Human warfare is quite 
> interesting.  The Humans' ancstors were apparently
> violent.  Now Humans have obviously become non-violent. 
> I admire their ancestors.  Conflict strengthens the blood 
> while peace weakens the spirit.
> 
> "My first voyage to Earth" part IV
> 
> I visited the "Smithsonian" institute today.
> 
> Humans are weak as water, but clever as an eyebrow.
> 
> While I visited the History Building, I enjoyed all the 
> displays.  I studied the bones of ancient extinct animals.  
> The Space Sciences Building was very interesting.  That 
> building contained the most primitive devices and the
> latest innovations.  I saw a primitive flying vessel.  
> I saw the first satellite to orbit the Earth.  I also saw 
> the "Phoenix."  That ship was the first Earth vessel to 
> use the warp drive.  I learned the story of the myth
> of the "phoenix." The "phoenix" is a firebird.  Every five 
> hundred years, the firebird gets ready to die, but is reborn.
> 
> I found a Klingon restaurant that served good food in the 
> city of "Chicago." I most certainly did not nibble my food.
> 
> I enjoyed visiting Earth.  Perhaps you should visit it.


majQa'! lutvam vItIvqu'. Hoch taghwI'pu'vaD vIchupbej.

Very good story. I recommend it to all beginners.


pagh
Beginners' Grammarian



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