tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Sep 23 15:40:01 1997
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Re: HIvqa' veqlargh! (Re: Hoghvam vIttlhegh)
- From: "Robyn Stewart" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: HIvqa' veqlargh! (Re: Hoghvam vIttlhegh)
- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:40:16 PST
- Organization: NLK Consultants, Inc.
- Priority: normal
lab bI'reng
>qon SuStel:
>> [email protected] on behalf of [email protected] wrote:
>>> -Hurgh Qaw'be'bogh wov'e' 'oH teH.-
>>
>>{wov} is not a noun. {teH} is not a noun. If {Hurgh} is treated as
>>noun it means "pickle."
>
>So... basically I talked about a pickle that isn't destroyed, and
>followed with a bunch a nonsense...
batlh QaghlIj DachID.
>I knew verbs can be used as nouns to a LIMITED extent.
What we actually know is that there are a large number of verbs that
are identical to corresponding nouns. {Sov} know/knowledge,
{Qagh} err/error, {QaH} help/help, for example. We also have words
like {Hurgh} pickle (n)/be dark (v) and {Dub} back (n)/improve (v)
that mean completely different things as verbs and nouns.
>I wanted to avoid the whole business
>with -ghach, since I don't completely understand it.
{-ghach} is a very nice tool in its place and it can be used to
create some wonderful nouns that require whole sentences in English.
The problem that gets {-ghach} all the bad press is people who lazily
try to use it to make noun-centric Klingon, instead of stretching
their minds to recast to a verb-centric mindset.
>Now for *Hurgh.* I didn't want to
>use -wI' because that means "thing/person who is dark."
Right.
>- bIQ QaDmoHbe'bogh tuj'e' 'oH vIt.-
>Truth is the heat which does not dry the water.
In a pronoun-as-'to be' construction the noun after the pronoun must
take the topicalizing suffix {-'e'}.
bIQ QaDmoHbe'bogh tuj'e' 'oH vIt'e'
>qatlho' 'ej qar vIttlheghvam 'e' vItul
wa' nuv neH Datlho'be'mo', {Satlho'} Dalo'nIS.
- Qov