In a message dated 97-09-11 13:23:21 EDT, Lieven writes: << Deghmey -v- -r- je jatlhlaHbe' *german*ngan . >> Although {Deghmey} is a good way of expressing "symbols", I have seen many on this listserv use {chovnatlh} for "letter of an alphabet". Just throwing this your way. peHruS