tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Nov 06 14:34:56 1997
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Re: plans
- From: "WATT FAMILY" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: plans
- Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:30:48 +1000
please don't send me this any more to [email protected]
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> From: David Crowell <[email protected]>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: plans
> Date: Thursday, 6 November 1997 15:46
>
> William H. Martin wrote:
> >
> > How may I politely point out that you are not paying attention?
> > Grammar has function. Relative clauses have a function.
> > Sentence As Object constructions have a function. If you look
> > at the function of a Sentence As Object construction, you will
> > notice that it does not match that which you are seeking with
> > your Question As Object. If you look at the function of a
> > relative clause you will noticed that it EXACTLY matches what
> > you are trying to accomplish with your Question As Object
> > construction.
>
> >From the Esperanto grammar {Plena Analiza Gramatiko}
> (I must apologize, because for the moment I cannot find a grammar in
> English that talks about indirect questions and relative pronouns)
> A indirect question consists of an interrogative sentence, transformed
> in a phrase such that it is asked about in another sentence. I add this:
> <The whole prase is referred in the sentence *in which it contains*.>
>
> But,
> a relative phrase is a phrase with a relative pronoun (or without one in
> English) that is referring to an antecedent (or a precedent in some
> languages). <One element in the relative phrase is referring to another
> element in phrase which it contains.>
>
> In all the languages I have studied (and I haven't studied just a few)
> the interrogative words are used in indirect questions.
> But there is a difference in meaning between an indirect question and a
> relative clause. Here is a short lutHom that I wrote, and the conclusion
> about **who know whom and what they know**.
>
> lutHomvaD ghotvam laDalu':
> personae dramatis:
>
> verengan chom, chom loDnI', chom loDnI'puq
> Quark, Rom, Nog,
>
> paghlogh tengchaHDaq ghaHbogh vulqan,
> Tuvok (first time on DS9)
>
> paghlogh tengchaHDaq ghaHbogh Human je.
> and Tom Paris (also a new to DS9)
>
> lut:
> Story:
>
> loDnI', loDnI'puq je pIn ghaH chom'e'.
> Rom and Nog are working for Quark.
>
> tachDaq, chaHvaD DIlmeH, Huch roQDI' ghaH tachvo' jol vulqan.
> The Vulcan beams Quark away from the bar
> as soon as he puts the money on the bar to pay them.
>
> Huch nge' wa' verengan 'ej tach lumej cha' verenganvam 'e' bejtaH Human.
> Paris watches one of the Ferengi take the money and both of them leave.
>
> DaH tach Human.
> Now Paris leaves the bar.
>
> tachDaq chegh chom.
> Quark returns to the bar.
>
> This is what can be known from this short story.
> lutHomvo' De'vam
>
> Huch nge'bogh ghot Sov chom, 'ach Huch nge' 'Iv 'e' Sovbe' chom.
> Quark knows the one who took the money, but he doesn't know who took the
> money.
>
> Huch nge'bogh ghot luSov loDnI' loDnI'puq je 'ej Huch nge' 'Iv 'e' luSov
> loDnI' loDnI'puq je.
> Rom and Nog know the one who took the money, and Rom and Nog know who
> took the money.
>
> Huch nge'bogh ghot Sovbe' vulqan 'ej Huch nge' 'Iv 'e' Sovbe' vulqan.
> Tuvok doesn't know the one who took the money nor does Tuvok know who
> took the money.
>
> Huch nge'bogh ghot Sovbe' Human 'ach Huch nge' 'Iv 'e' Sov Human.
> Paris doesn't know the one who took the money but Paris knows who took
> the money.
>