tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed May 28 07:53:03 1997
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Re: jajmey vItoghlI'
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>Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 00:49:47 -0700 (PDT)
>From: "Q'ISto'va (Eliseo d'Annunzio, Esq.)" <[email protected]>
>
>On Fri, 23 May 1997, Scott Inman wrote:
>
>> > hayom sh'loshim v'chad l'sfirat ha'omer...
>>
>> Hebrew? In a tlhIngan eMail list?
>
>It amazes me that something like this should pop up... I was with my KAG
>meeting just today where I met a member who could also speak Hebrew, and
>found out that sounds in tlhIngan Hol, and pronounciation in most cases
>resembled that of Hebrew... Anyone care to make any further comment into
>this insight?
It's perhaps a little overstated. The main thing that impresses
English-speakers about Hebrew is its gutteral sound like Klingon "H"
(actually it has more than one, but most are generally not spoken as such
in Modern Israeli pronunciation). And since Klingon has it too, *ding*
Klingon must sound like Hebrew. But Klingon also has ch, D, j, ng, Q, S,
tlh that Hebrew doesn't have. They both also have ' as a phoneme, I
suppose. And there are sounds like gh, q, w, which existed in older Hebrew
and still persist in some dialects, but which aren't generally spoken as
such in Modern Hebrew (and there are theories that the Hebrew letter Sin
used to be pronounced like the lh part of tlh, but even if that's true Sin
is known to have been /s/ at least for many centuries). I suppose the
vowel-system has *some* similarity; both are simpler than the English
system of vowels (but then, so are most languages': English has a very rich
vowel-system), *some* distinguishing of e from ey, etc... but not all that
convincing.
We've bopped around some Hebrew here on the list occasionally; the odd
Israeli list-member dropping a phrase and blinking when I answered in kind,
some examples of how other languages do things drawn from Hebrew, etc.
~mark
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