tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Jan 29 08:36:29 1997
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Re: KLBC: Phrases
- From: Steven Boozer <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: KLBC: Phrases
- Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:34:20 -0600 (CST)
'Iwvan wrote:
:David Trimboli wrote:
:> January 28, 1997 5:48 AM EST, jatlh Perry J. Brulotte:
:> > [If war is costly and war is hell then hell must be costly.]
:>
:> waghchugh noH 'ej ghe'or 'oHchugh noH'e', vaj waghnIS ghe''or.
:
:_tKD_ 4.2.2 implies that the Type 2 verbal suffixes indicate deontic
:modality (the need for, or desirability of, an event); here the _must_
:performs an alethic function (`it follows that hell is costly' rather
:than `hell needs to be costly'). Unless there is precedent for such
:use of {-nIS}, I suggest using {-law'} or nothing at all.
[Qu'vatlh! jabbI'IDwIj wa'DIch narghlaw'ta'. Let's try it again!]
I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're trying to make. Here are
all the attestation of -nIS I could find in canon. Is there a "precedent for
such use of {-nIS}"?
- vIleghnIS I need to see him. TKD
- vISopnIS You need to eat. TKD
- De''e' vItlhapnISpu' I needed to get the INFORMATION. It was the
information (and not something else) I needed. TKD
- lupwI' DalIghnIS You must ride the jitney. CK
- tIqlIj Da'angnIS You must show your heart. PK
- DaH jIbwIj vISay'nISmoH I must wash my hair now. PK
- DIHIvlaHtaHvIS DaH DIHIvnIS Attack them now, while we still can! ST6
- poSDaq nIHDaq je QamtaHvIS SuvwI'pu'. chaH jojDaq yItnIS lopwI' The
initiate must pass through a gauntlet of warriors. S9
- mataHmeH maSachnIS To survive, we must expand. TKW
- pIpyuS pach DaSop DaneHchugh pIpyuS puS DaghornIS If you want to eat
pipius claw, you'll have to break a few pipiuses. TKW
- bISutlhnISchugh jaghlI' mInDu' tIbej If you must negotiate, watch your
enemy's eyes. TKW
- nIteb SuvnIS DevwI' A leader must stand alone ("A leader must fight
alone"). TKW
- ghob tIvnISbe'lu' One need not enjoy virtue [tIvnISbe' "does not need to
enjoy" vs. tIvbe'nIS "needs to not enjoy"] TKW
- bIQapqu'meH tar DaSop 'e' DatIvnIS To really succeed, you must enjoy
eating poison. TKW
- tIqwIj Sa'angnIS I must show you my heart. TKW
- yInlu'taH 'e' bajnISlu' Survival must be earned. TKW
- yay chavlu' 'e' bajnISlu' Victory must be earned. TKW
- batlh Heghlu'chugh noDnISbe' vay' An honorable death requires no
vengeance. TKW
Voragh