tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sat Dec 06 16:07:39 1997
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Re: jIlIHegh
- From: Qov <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: jIlIHegh
- Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 16:07:32 -0800
At 14:59 97-12-05 -0800, James wrote:
Welcome to the list! I am Qov, the current "Beginners' Grammarian" and I
will correct your submissions if you preface the subject line with KLBC,
(and sometimes when you don't) to help you, me and everyone else learn
better tlhIngan Hol.
}jIlIHegh:
The suffix {'egh} starts with the letter {'}. Yes, this letter is omitted
at one place in TKD, but it should be there.
}pongwIj James Matheson Bayley ghaHtaH.
The pronoun goes first, and the noun must have {-'e'} on it. {James Madison
Bayley 'oH pongwIj'e'}
Literally, "My name, it is JMB." In Klingon you must use the pronoun as
well as the noun when you say something is something else.
}tera'ngan jIH.
maj.
}EnglandDaq LondonDaq jIHtaH 'ej wa'maH chorgh DIS jIghaj.
The Klingon idiom to indicate age is not the same as the French. Klingons
do not "have" the years of their lives.
{wa'maH chorgh ben jIboghpu'}. Literally, "eighteen years ago I had been born."
}Do' chaq tugh ghap nem tlhIngan Hol SajatlhlaH 'a wej.
"luckily perhaps soon ... or ... years from now I will be able to speak
Klingon to you but ... not yet."
The "..." is where it comes out disjointed.
The word {ghap} means "or" when it is placed after a group of nouns.
{tlhIngan verengan quS ghap vIlegh} "I see a Klingon, a Ferengi or a chair."
To say "maybe soon or years from now," you're joining adverbs, and we have
no method for that, so you'd have to say the whole clause twice. Same with
the {'a wej}. It's not WRONG, it's just not a complete sentence, and I'm
going to demand that you can write complete, grammatically correct unclipped
sentences before I let you get away with shortcuts. So:
jIDo'chugh tugh tlhIngan Hol SajatlhlaH pagh chaq nem tlhIngan Hol
SajatlhlaH 'a wej vIta'laH.
If I'm lucky I'll be able to speak Klingon to you soon, or perhaps years
from now I'll be able to speak Klingon to you, but I can't do it yet.
DaH tlhIngan Hol jujatlhlaH. wej pup.
}tlhIngan Hol vIHaDtaH 'a vIyajlaHbe' 'ach ghItlh vIghItlhta'bogh
}DalD'a'.
I assume that's supposed to be {DalaD'a'}.
vIlaDbej. pab napHa' Dalo'. laHlIj DaDubnIS 'ach qabbe'. mu'tlheghvam
DayajlaHbe'bej'a'?
Can you really not understand the above sentence? I am surprised. You
write well and usually a person can understand better than he can write.
}tlhIngan Hol pab 'e' jIlughchugh choja'meH HIjangneS.
I'm not sure what you are trying to do with {'e'}, but it doesn't work.
>From context I assume you want to say "Please answer me to tell me if there
is any Klingon grammar that I need to correct."
The word {'e'} does not mean "that" in all instances of "that." It can be
translated as "that" in "sentence-as-object," the one and only valid
construction for which the word {'e'} can be used. The construction is
described in section 6.2.5 and is not relevant to this sentence.
The verb {lugh} means "be correct" not "make correct." To make it mean
"make correct," as in "please correct my grammar," add the suffix {-moH}.
And to indicate need, put in {-nIS}, making sure to follow correct suffix
order. {lughnISmoH} - need to correct
tlhIngan Hol pab vIlughnISmoHchugh, choja'meH HIjangneS.
"If I need to correct my Klingon grammer, pleae answer in order to tell me."
Myself, I would just say, {tlhIngan Hol pabwIj yIlughmoH!} "Correct my
Klingon grammar." That "answer in order to tell me" is awfully
circumlocutory. I'm assuming you just wanted to try out {-meH}. :)
}tuyaj'a'.
qayaj jIH.
}maj.
}tlhIngan Hol Qatlhqu'ba' jay' 'e' jIQubbej.
THIS is the right use of {'e'}. majQa'. But some words need rearranging.
and there's a prefix error.
Remember OVS: the subject of {Qatlh} is tlhIngan Hol, so {Qatlh tlhIngan
Hol} - "Klingon is hard." And because you are thinking something* -- that
Klingon is hard, use the prefix for I - 3rd person object.
Qatlhqu'ba' tlhIngan Hol jay' 'e' vIQubbej
Qatlhqu'be', 'ach Huj. tugh bIyajchoH. batlh bIjeSchoHta'.
Qov [email protected]
Beginners' Grammarian