tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Aug 06 00:02:44 1997

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Re: more on vegh

ghItlh Jeremy Cowan:

>Lawrence wrote:
>>The intention or purpose of the object one is
>>passing through does not strike me as particularly critical. 
>
>I agree! ~mark's example of the Romulan phaser hole is great.
>
>Lawrence wrote (and others have expressed similar opinoins):
>>A more relevant aspect seems to be that the object is enclosed, as
>>someone else has already noted.
>
>I disagree here. I would certainly use {vegh} to describe passing
>through an open gate in a short fence.

Or look it as this - a fence too high to go over practically, but when the 
gate is opened, you go through unsurrounded. Is that vegh? If it isn't, then 
vegh is limited to passing, on our own initiative, through an opening bounded 
on all sides. If it is, then we need to allow for great distance, or in Jeremy 
Cowan's example, appreciable inconvenience, to be an acceptable barrier.

How about a ring of smoke? Is THIS a vegh situation!? Or an arching solar 
flare? Or another gaseous or liquid surround which can be passed through? 
Going through a cloud is not vegh, but doing so without actually entering the 
cloud might be.

Also - an agreement seems to be that digestion is not vegh - because the food 
passes not on its own volition, but is moved by an outside force. Does a 
baseball vegh a spare tire? Or would it need to be acting on its own volition? 
Would a Klingon, to describe a wicked curve ball going through a spare tire, 
in an exclamation of sheer surprise, utter *gho veghpu'!*? The implication 
here is that the Klingon assumed the ball was headed to a destination, when it 
suddenly changed course <i>as if on its own volition</i>?

Could a person throwing a rock through an open door (man, I wish we had 
window!) say, *naghvaD lojmIt vIveghmoH*, or would that be false for some 
reason?

Hmmm... never realized how rich this puppy was! And ~mark, don't worry - I'm 
just figuring out just what kind of nails we can hit with this hammer! (And 
the safety goggles are on!) }}:o) Seriously though, I think these examples are 
reasonably likely to fit the rule.

Qermaq

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