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What prefix to use for "I--us" etc.?



On: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 21:06:19 -0200
From: [email protected] (Sami Laitala)
sent me his two files on Klingon grammar asking for an Esperanto translation.

In the latter of them (KLISUFF.ENG)

I have foud the following table:

>Subject-object prefixes
>
>          (no obj)       O    B    J    E    C    T
>
>               --        sg.1 sg.2 sg.3      pl.1 pl.2 pl.3
>
>-    sg.1 |    jI-       *    qa-  vI-       *    Sa-  vI-
>-         |
>S    sg.2 |    bI-       cho- *    Da-       ju-  *    Da-
>U         |
>B    sg.3 |    --        mu-  Du-  --        nu-  lI-  --
>J         |
>E    pl.1 |    ma-       *    pI-  wI-       *    re-  DI-
>C         |
>T    pl.2 |    Su-       tu-  *    bo-       che- *    bo-
>-         |
>-    pl.3 |    --        mu-  nI-  lu-       nu-  lI-  --
>
>
>     --   no prefix
>     *    see -'egh


I don't think Sami has placed all the asterisks correctly in his table.

I don't think one can use -'egh to render a combination "I--us" etc.

It is interesting however how to express such situations, as e.g.

      I shall kill us (all).

      You (singular) will ruin all of you (plural).
etc.

      and theoretical: "We--me" "You-pl.--you-sing." (but I can't invent any
sentence bearing sense)


Which prefix(es) to use?

The same question may be asked for the imperative prefix
        "You-sing.--you-pl."

I rather think that the * (= use -'egh with the no-object prefix) should be
placed only at the crossing of
        sg.1.--sg.1., (I--me = myself)
        sg.2.--sg.2., (you--you = yourself or: thou--thee = thyself)
        pl.1.--pl.1., (we--us = ourselves)
and     pl.2.--pl.2., (you-pl.--you-pl. = yourselves)

and not elsewhere.

Any ideas?





macheq noychoH jemtoQ

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