tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Sep 18 06:43:51 1996
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nIDwIj wa'DIch
- From: [email protected] (Bill Willmerdinger)
- Subject: nIDwIj wa'DIch
- Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:41:04
> From: ur-valhalla!netusa1.net!caanders (Alan Anderson)
> Subject: nIDwIj wa'DIch
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:06:40 -0700
> qob (Bill Willmerdinger) writes:
>>Are there any other Klingon words that tale [sic] double objects?
Darn typos!
> Lots of them! The causation verb suffix {-moH} has given us fits for
> ages because of this feature.
> Start with "I drink the ale." {HIq vItlhutlh}. No problem.
> Now add {-moH}: "I cause him to drink the ale." Suddenly we have two
> objects, "him" and "ale", for the verb {tlhutlhmoH}. How do we do it?
> We now have two answers, and they seem to agree with each other.
Oh, of course, I see it now. I've even stumbled on that problem. If I
remember, I totally rephrased what I wanted to say because I couldn't figure
out how else to do it.
> The {pong} example says the recipient/beneficiary of the naming gets
> the suffix {-vaD}, which is pretty reasonable, and the name being
> given is the unmarked "real" object. The other example, from a recent
> Skybox card, says {tuQtaHvIS Hem. ghaHvaD quHDaj qawmoH.} and is
> translated as "He wears it proudly as a reminder of his heritage." It
> works the same way; the recipient/beneficiary of the "remembering" is
> marked with {-vaD} and the thing being remembered is "the" object.
DaH jIyaj. I remember being confused by that card when I first read it, but
since I study the language when I have time, I probably forgot all about it.
> So double-object verbs apparently can have two different things fill
> the role of "direct" object, depending on whether or not the other
> object is present. "I cause him to drink" is {ghaH vItlhutlhmoH}, but
> "I cause him to drink the ale" is likely {ghaHvaD HIq vItlhutlhmoH}.
I'm no theoretician, I admit that; I work best when I have clear rules to
follow. Okay, at least I have a way to use double-object verbs that seems
consistant.
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