tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sun Sep 15 10:09:12 1996
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nIDwIj wa'DIch
- From: [email protected] (Bill Willmerdinger)
- Subject: nIDwIj wa'DIch
- Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 23:28:06
> From: "d'Armond Speers" <ur-valhalla!thomtech.com!dspeers>
> Subject: nIDwIj wa'DIch
>> While I fully agree that {*Qob* 'oH pongwIj'e'} is the "safe" way to
>> say "My name is Qob", I think it's time we stopped fighting over the
>> "instinctive" use of {pong}. The original argument against using
>> {pong} to say "I name my son 'Qob'" was that this requires apposition
>> ("son" and "Qob" are in apposition).
> No, they're not. This is not apposition. This is a double-object
> construction. If it were apposition, you still wouldn't know what you
> were naming your son, Qob. It's like this:
> I name my son Qob. (double object)
> I name my son, Qob, Kruge. (apposition)
Just when you think you understand what's going on, someone comes along who
really *does* understand. :-\
(Very helpful explanation deleted)
> With verbs like /pong/, they seem to assign two separate object roles,
> a feature of verbs that occurs relatively rarely (across languages,
> though of course we just don't know about Klingon). The argument is
> how that will work in Klingon. We know about objects (before the
> verb); we know about indirect objects (at the beginning, marked with
> /-vaD/). All other objects come before. But what about
> double-objects?
Got it. Is {pong} unique in this regard? Are there any other Klingon words
that tale double objects? (What about English?)
> We have evidence of apposition, but I can't remember where.
Skybox card S26.
> Sorry about the rant. This isn't the first time I've seen the term
> "apposition" used to refer to double-object verbs. Just a little pet
> peave of mine.
That was a rant? <g> I'm glad you ranted, then, because I'd rather
understand. I have a textbook from an elective class I took in college, about
the history of English, but as a general linguistics text it's lacking
(apposition isn't even in the index).
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