tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Sep 05 10:15:16 1996
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Re: Klingonaase
- From: "Mark E. Shoulson" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: Klingonaase
- Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:15:13 -0400 (EDT)
- In-reply-to: <[email protected]> (message from DarkViper on Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:17:21 -0700)
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>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:17:21 -0700
>From: Dark Viper <[email protected]>
>At 07:53 PM 9/3/96 -0700, Mark E. Shoulson wrote:
>>- From what I've seen of Klingonaase, it looks far too dissimilar from
>>tlhIngan Hol to be a dialect. It couldn't be a related language. What's
>>more logical reasoning is that there is more than one language spoken on
>>Qo'noS that developed separately. Star Trek's one-language-per-species may
>>be what we've seen, but it's really silly on the whole. If we can manage a
>>few hundred or thousand languages on our planet, surely the Klingons in
>>their history could have mustered two or three language-families. ST's
>>treatment of language has been so laughable anyway (universal translator,
>>ha. Even if it existed, it's so awfully pervasive; *EVERYone* seems to
>>have it, even the Kazons. And it works better than anything like that
>>possibly could. Male and female are universal constants indeed.)
>Yes, but then that means we'll have a Klingonaase Dictionary, a Klingonese
>Dictionary, etc. etc. Meaning, the Klingon Language that we know (tlhIngan
>Hol) will have lost its popularity and no one will agree on the proper way
>to say "It is a good day to die" because we'll all be using different
>languages! It also can force us to isolate ourselves on some faraway island
>and become an actual Klingon civilization because only in a world-class
>population can different dialects and languages exist successfully.
Aha! HERE we can agree. It's a theory vs. practice problem. In theory,
it's silly to say that the Klingons (or just about any other species with a
fair number of members and a long plantary history, except maybe the Borg)
have only ONE language or even one language family. In practice, I'd
rather stick with one, and so would Paramount. (Hell, in theory, most of
the Star Trek political games could just as well be played by different
factions of one species; Humans have managed quite well to war with
themselves for centuries without extraterrestrial enemies. And I'm sure
it would be cheaper and safer for the Cardassians simply to hire some
Bajorans to be their spies instead of surgically altering themselves; every
species has lowlifes).
>BTW, where did you see this so-called "Klingonaase"? It'd be interesting to
>take a peek at what these so-called "Klingons" are up to. Besides, tlhIngan
>Hol is the ***CANON*** language.
It's from a book by John Ford, I think. Somewhere I've seen vocabulary
lists (and that's all that was ever really developed for it) on the web I
think.
~mark
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