tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Nov 22 22:47:36 1996
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Re: Engishization of Klingon (Was: RE: KLBC a phrase about
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: Engishization of Klingon (Was: RE: KLBC a phrase about
- Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:21:49 -0500 ()
- Priority: NORMAL
On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:23:52 -0800 Qov <[email protected]> wrote:
> At 15:01 21/11/96 -0800, charghwI' wrote:
> }On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:55:24 -0800 Qov <[email protected]> wrote:
> }> At 09:19 18/11/96 -0800, ter'eS wrote:
> }>
> }> }I'm not sure what my point is here, except that it seems that Okrand has
> }> }lost his original inspiration for Klingon, and his choices are making it
> }> }more and more like English as he goes along.
> }
> }> jIQochbe', te'reS. pIj DIvI' mu' rurqu' tlhIngan mu', meq tu'be'lu'taHvIS.
> }
> }SoHvaD meq nobnIS'a' *Okrand*? bIpotlhba'!
>
> ghobe'. meq vIpoQbe'. novchu' tlhIngan Hol vIneH neH. DIvI' Hol rurDI' nub.
jIQochbe' 'ach *Okrand* vIvuvqu' 'ej mumerDI' vIlaj. vang
*Okrand* jaS neH Hoch. wa' *Okrand neH ghaH. Hol wuQ *Okrand*
'ej vIlaj.
> }> jIH (HaSta) jIH (bej) je tIqel.
> }
> }mu'mey ngo'qu' bIH.
>
> jIH (wot) 'angbe' tlhIngan mu'ghomwIj wa'DIch. mu'tay' ngo' vIghoj mu'ghom
> chIS vIleghpa'. jIHvaD chu' Hoch mu'mey'e' 'angbe'bogh mu'ghom SuD. vaj
> ngo' jIH (DIp) 'ej chu' jIH (wot). (chu' jIH (Qov) je.)
yIvIngQo'! ngo' paq chIS. yIlaj!
[Stuff about question as object of another verb deleted]
> DaH ngoDvam vISov. jIQaghmo' jIghoj 'ej jIghoj vIneH. pabwIj lughmoHmo'
> charghwI' muquvmoH ghaH 'ach pabwIj lughmoHmeH charghwI' vIQeHmoHlaw'mo' jI'IQ.
bI'IQnISbe'. nom jIQeH. nom jIbel. jIchoH. choQeHmoHtaHbe'chugh
ram wanI'.
> }bong chenmoH 'e' DapIHlaw'. jISaHbe'. Hol chenmoHta'. ghaH
> }wIvuvnIS. ghaH vIvuvbej! DavuvHa' DaneHchugh vaj maSuv. *Okrand*
> }vIHubmo' jIHem.
>
> charghwI', maSuv vIneHbe'neS. *KLI *WWW DaqDaq jabbI'IDmey law' vIlaD
> jabbI'IDghomvam vImuvpa'. pabpo' DaDataHvIS jabbI'IDmey DangeHbogh vIlaD.
> qavuvchoHpu' 'ej qavuvtaH. jImuj 'e' DaHarmo' chotungHa'. chaq qaSbe'bej
> choH vItu'law'bogh. Holmaj Qorghchu' Okrand 'e' DaHarchugh vaj Dogh
> vuDmeywIj. Hol SeH latlh vIneHbe'. Hol vISeH vIneHbe'. Hol SeHnIS Okrand.
> HIyajHa'Qo'. Okrand vIvuvbej.
maj.
> }> vay' lIj Hoch net chaw'ba' 'ach pab bIvDI' Okrand pabna'
> }> wIngu'laHbe'.
> }
> }'ej not DabIv 'e' DaHar'a'? nagh wa'DIch DabaHlaH 'e' DaHar'a'?
>
> ghobe' jay'. qechwIj vIQumbe'law'pu'. pIj jIQaghba' jIjIvmo' 'ej
> jIyepbe'mo'. 'ach jIQaghDI' ram wanI'. mu'Ij 'Iv? vISaH jIH neH. mu'
> vIlo'Ha'chugh jIQagh neH. bong mu' lo'Ha'chugh Okrand vaj wIlajnIS 'ej
> wIQIjnIS.
DaH bIjatlhchu'ta'. Qatlhqu' *Okrand* Qu'. rut Qagh. not
Qaghchugh vaj nIvqu' ghu', 'ach not Qagh pagh.
> }> tlhIngan Hol chenmoHlaH Okrand neH 'e' wIwuq 'ach Holmaj
> }> Qorgh neHbe'law'mo' jImogh.
> )
> }Holmaj Dara'rupbe'. jaS bIHarchugh vaj qoHna' SoH. qoH'a' SoH.
>
> vIra'rupbe'ba' 'ej qoH jIH net Sov. vIra' vIneHbe'bej. ghojwI' neH jIH. reH
> vImaq. DaH ghojwI' quvHa' jIH.
rut qoHpu' chaH Hoch'e'. bIvalqu'. rejmorgh yIDaQo'!
> }> SKI: Qov agrees and is frustrated by it.
> }
> }SKI: charghwI' is not impressed and remains loyal to the creator
> }of the language.
>
> SKI: Qov respects Okrand and charghwI' and accepts the latter's judgement of
> the value of her opinions.
SKI: qay'be'. [It's in TKD, page 170.]
> ---
> Qov (Robyn Stewart) [email protected] tlhIngan Hol ghojwI'
charghwI'