tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Jul 30 10:26:05 1996
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Re: KLBC: *(ghot jIchu')
- From: Jose Mijares <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: KLBC: *(ghot jIchu')
- Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 13:28:39 -0400
>Subject: Re: KLBC: *(ghot jIchu')
>Sent: 7/29/96 9:20 PM
>Received: 7/30/96 1:24 PM
>From: Alan Anderson, [email protected]
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: Multiple recipients of list, [email protected]
>
>Jeff Zeitlin writes:
>> DaH naDev vIpawta' <I have now arrived here>
>
>I'll return to the {vI-} vs. {jI-} prefix discussion in a moment...
>
>> Also, is there a verb suffix that has the sense of "result/
>> product of", for example: {jeS}, to discuss -> {jeS*},
>> discussion?
>
>Well, {-ghach} might work in some cases. But usually something like
>this isn't necessary in tlhIngan Hol. English has a tendency to use
>nouns everywhere, but Klingon is very good at using verbs to express
>meanings. Instead of saying "in yesterday's discussion", for example,
>say "yesterday while we were discussing".
>
>By the way, {jeS} means "participate". "discuss" is {ja'chuq}, which
>is apparently just {ja'} + {-chuq} "tell each other".
>
>> As to your second suggestion, {naDev jIchu'}: This confuses me
>> somewhat. As you indicated, the {jI-} prefix indicated no
>> object, thus leaving my {ghot} hanging. Why does this not
>> occur with respect to your {naDev} as well? TKD indicates that
>> both {naDev} and {ghot} are of the same part of speech (noun)
>> and the construction clearly places them both as putative
>> objects of the verb {chu'}.
>
>Ah, but I'm not using {naDev} as an object, I'm using it as a locative.
>It doesn't tell what is being "new'ed" (whatever that might mean), it
>indicates where the action of the sentence is taking place. See the
>discussion of {-Daq} in TKD section 3.3.5, and notice the special case
>of {naDev}, {pa'}, and {Dat}. The {jI-} prefix is the definitive clue
>that {naDev} isn't intended to be the object of the verb.
>
>-- ghunchu'wI' batlh Suvchugh vaj batlh SovchoH vaj
>
>
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Jose Mijares
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