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Re: ghoS or ghoS



The {-Daq} on {molor} is redundant in the simple case, and incorrect in
the {-vo'} case.  The verb {ghoS} implies motion toward, so using {Daq}
is as redundant as the English example given:

	DujDaq ghoS!  "It is approaching toward the ship!" 

versus the correct, in both languages, version:

	Duj ghoS!     "It is approaching the ship!"

If you want to refer to movement away from, you have to use {-vo'}.  And
if you use {-vo'}, you can't use {-Daq} - they're both type 5 suffixes.
So:
	molor ghoS qeylIS	Kahless approaches molor
	molorvo' ghoS qeylIS	Kahless moves away from molor

Krenath <[email protected]> writes:
\ At 08:25 PM 7/11/96 -0700, you wrote:
\ >
\ >ghoS - approach, come
\ >ghoS - go away from
\ >
\ >I was doing some translating while at work; I have used this word many times
\ >under both translations, today it struck me when I encountered a sentence
\ >that could be translated either way.
\ >
\ >molorDaq ghoS qeylIS
\ >
\ >Kahless is standing a couple yards from Molor.  Is Kahless going away from
\ >Molor, or is he approaching and moving closer to him?  There isn't a picture
\ >to show which direction he is facing.
\ >
\ >
\ >DloraH
\ 
\ Well, two sentences I remember which may help are 
\ 
\ naDev yIghoS  (come here!)
\ 
\ and 
\ 
\ naDevvo' yIghoS (go away!)
\ 
\ {-vo'} is 'from' while {ghoS} merely implies movement, though not in any
\ specific direction.
\ 
\ if qeylIS was moving away from molor, one would likely say 
\ 
\ molorDaqvo' ghoS qeylIS
\ 
\ While the sentence you provided would likely be interpreted as qeylIS
\ approaching molor by default.
\ I do not have my dictionary handy, but I'm assuming by the fact that my
\ pojwI' program is complaining about combining -Daq and -vo', that they might
\ not be used together very often.  If they are, then the above sentence
\ expresses the fact that qeylISis moving away from the place where molor is,
\ not expressly molor himself.  I still have the sneaking suspicion that -Daq
\ and -vo' might be mutually exclusive, but without my dictionary, can't prove it.
\ 
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