tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Jul 10 19:00:53 1996
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Re: with, around, using; in an X manner
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>Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 01:56:01 -0700
>From: "A.Appleyard" <[email protected]>
> {tlhej} = "accompany" (verb). I in the past have risked using it as a suffix
>= "together with", as being shorter and less awkward than relative-and-verb
>constructions using {tlhej--bogh}, by analogy with such forms as {Daq} =
>"place" (noun) :: {XDaq} = "at/to X". I was told off for it; but it seems a
>natural end-point of language evolution: an asyndetic clause pair {XDaq jaHpu'
>qang matlh tlhej} = "Kang went to X, he accompanied Maltz" is only a space
>different from using {tlhej} as a suffix = "together with". Likewise {ngorbogh
>verengan bachpu' qolotlh pu' lo'} = "Koloth shot the cheating Ferengi, he used
>a phaser" is only a space different from **{... pu'lo'} = "... using/with a
>phaser"; thus also {lighpu' 'avwi' qach bav} = "the guard rode, he orbited the
>building" > **{lighpu' 'avwi' qachbav} = "the guard rode round the building".
Why not say "The guard rode orbit the building"? After all, "orbit" is
almost a preposition in English, by the same logic. It's the obvious
endpoint, and it convenients so much morely. When it comes down to it,
what use are grammar rules anyway? If I want a thing besaid, that
suffices: the thing issaids, and after all, it obviouslies, so why
worrywart some silly rules made some grammarian who knows how back?
Because that's what the language IS. If you want to write about/in
"A. Appleyard's hypothetical future Klingon, after a few more centuries of
development," be welcome. But know that you are NOT writing in/about the
same language we're discussing, any more than my English above was
correct. On this list, we tend to be working more with the current, known
language, and not inventing our own concepts of what it will be like in
centuries.
> How can I use any randonly chosen adjectival verb, or other verb, as an
>adverb? E.g. "he wrote in a drunk manner": {chechZ ghItlhpu'}, where {Z} means
>the same as English "-ly" or French "-ement"; but what is {Z}?
There is no known way in Klingon. Best you can do involves two sentences,
using -taHvIS or -DI' or something. Not every language has an -ly or
- -ement... because not every language is English or French.
~mark
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