tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue May 23 12:03:21 1995
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Re: The `Ring Rhyme' in Klingon
Jeremy,
> > > (1) {jelv} is not Klingon; {-lv} is not a permissible final.
> > > (2) Inventing words ought to be a capital crime. Non-Klingon
> > > words used in Klingon text (whether they have been made to fit
> > > Klingon phonology or no) should be marked by asterisks or underscores.
> > Be fair.. Okrand was hardly going to invent a word for Elfs..
> > I came accross the problem of no equivalent so I thought I'd make one up for
> > the context of this passage.. it was a just a little fun and since The Lord
> > of The Rings doesn't mix with Trek.. I didn't think it would do any harm.
> ...
> > .. you've mainly criticised me for making up words and rightly so.. but
> > since the intention of the translation was to help me learn to put
> > scentances together.. I don't think its too serious.
>
> The problem isn't that you were making up words. If you are going to try
> to say "elf" and want it to sound Klingon you're going to have to make up
> words. You should be warned, however, that it is custom to mark such
> words. If you don't mark them, everyone will rush to their dictionaries
> (and other resources). It can be very disappointing to spend a lot of
> time looking for something that doesn't exist. Please, just mark them to
> let us know. That's all we're asking.
Is that what the * means.. I actually pointed out in my orriginal messgae
that I made up the two words..
> > > You're overdoing your English here. :-) Don't call Men `Terrans';
> > > Elves and Dwarves are Terrans too. {Human} would be better.
> > Well, I forgot that Human would be in TKD.. so sue me! But you are right
> > about Elves and Dwarves.. I didn't think about that.
>
> I can see where you felt picked on with the response you got. It takes a
> while to get used to the style of response used here. But look again at
> this comment. It is just the kind of teaching you were asking for.
> Someone realised that you did not know about the word {Human} and so
> pointed out that it was a better word than the one you used.
I don't feel picked on.. and I realise that some people (in their own Klingon
way) are actually trying to help. 'Some' people here have pointed out my
mistakes.. fine but they never offered solution. How am I supposed to learn
if I don't know what the sentence is supposed to be.
That was what I was talking about..
> If you can learn to just ignore the "typical" Klingon rudeness an dig a
> little deeper, you will find some wonderful gems of knowledge.
Hahaha... admittadly.. and I don't know why we're still fighting about this
now.. yoDtargh was a perfect example of the help I needed.. for all of the
mistakes he offered his solution which I can use to learn from.
> janSIy
.hmm, I wonder just how many people wil turn against me before this is
resolved :)