ghItlh Qanqor: > taghpa' rInnISmoHlu' Huh? It sounds to me like the thing being fiished and begun are the same thing. "Before he/she begins it, it must be completed????" Sorry, I'm doing a lot of criticizing wtihout actually suggesting my own alternatives. Try this: {Qu'vetlh chu' Dataghpa' Qu'vam yIta'} Guido#1, Leader of All Guidos