tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Apr 08 10:37:39 1994
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{-ta'} vs {-lI'}
> I went back to TKD 4.2.7 on this and I can't agree with you. It says
>that both {-taH} and {-lI'} state that the action of the verb is continuous.
>"Unlike {-taH}, however, {-lI'} implies that the activity has a known goal
or
>a definite stopping point." I don't think this requires intent.
I would think that an action performed or occuring with a specific goal in
mind would be intentional. It does indeed indicate a stopping point, but it
also expresses the subject's intent.
> I see where you are coming from, given that the next sentence in TKD
is,
>"In other words, it suggests that progress is being made toward that goal."
>Still, Okrand was so much more explicit about intent in describing the
>difference between {-pu} and {-ta'} in the same section of TKD that I find
it
>difficult to believe that he would be so weak in expressing that same
>difference in the presence or absence of intent between {-taH} and {-lI'}.
You seem to have neglected the key sentence to the analogy: "It is possible
to
consider {-lI'} a /continuous/ counterpart of {-ta'}, and {-taH} a
/continuous/ counterpart of {-pu'}." (TKD, 4.2.7, pg.43, emphasis not added).
Here Okrand demonstrates the analogy that the correlation between {-lI'} and
{-ta'} is the same as that between {-taH} and {-pu'}. To better show this
correlation, I'll plot the aspect markers onto a chart that indicates their
correlative meanings:
Klingon Aspect Markers
Unintentional Intentional
Continuous: -taH -lI'
Completed: -pu' -ta' (rIntaH)
But this chart also shows anther analogy: The relationship between {-taH} and
{-lI'} is the same as that between {-pu'} and {-taH}. Thus {-lI'} does
express
intent.
> I'm open to other opinions, and will attempt to lean toward your
>interpretation of this more now than before you expressed it, but I can't
>quite buy into it by your argument alone at this time.
>charghwI'
I hope this has helped to sway your opinion somewhat. If you still don't
completely agree, keep in mind that I derived this chart from own Okrand's
own
written word.
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