tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Feb 27 08:31:06 2012
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Sepmey
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Here’s the only mention of No’hvadut in KGT:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>KGT 26: In a divergence from the majority of Klingon dialects, the speakers of Sakrej and No'hvadut ({noHva'Dut}) do not follow this pattern. In these dialects, there is no reforming of the sentences for toasts; the subject always follows the verb.</span></font><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I took it to be a region, too. {Sa'Qej} is a region and AFAIK the various dialects Okrand discusses are usually named after regions or off-world colonies/settlements (e.g. Morska) – with the exception of the city of Ruk’evet:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>KGT 17: On rare occasion, a place's name can be traced to an individual or family, such as ... {ruq'e'vet} (Ruk'evet), a city in the {ghevchoq} Sep (Gevchok region), named for a warrior (whether actual or mythological is a matter of dispute) who singlehandedly defeated an invading force.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>KGT 30: while the verb {ghIH} means “be messy, sloppy” in {ta' Hol} and in most dialects, in the towns near Ruk'evet ({ruq'e'vet}), {ghIH} means “be careless”. The more widespread word for “be careless” is {yepHa'}, and this word is used in addition to {ghIH} in the Ruk'evet area. To say “be messy, sloppy”, the Ruk'evet inhabitants say {Soy'}, a verb meaning “be clumsy” elsewhere. The Ruk'evet word for “be clumsy” is {jat}, which is phonetically identical to the noun meaning “tongue”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Perhaps this is just a minor variation in vocabulary – e.g. “submarine” vs. “hero” sandwich, “soda” vs. “pop” vs. “coke”, etc. in the U.S. Merely a bit of local Ruk’evet color, but not enough to rise to the level of a dialect with its own variant grammar.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> De'vID jonpIn [mailto:[email protected]] <br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>loghaD:<br>> Though it's not in the glossary section, KGT mentions No’hvadut (noHva’Dut).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>'ach Sep pong 'oH'a'? chaq yoS veng ghap neH 'oH.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>{noHva'Dut} rur {taq'ev}. KGTDaq tu'lu' 'ach mu'tay'HomDajDaq tu'lu'be'. Sep 'oH {taq'ev}'e' vISovbe'.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>--<br>De'vID<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></body></html>_______________________________________________
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