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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'vatlh wejmaH vagh: <potlh QonoS>

Qov ([email protected])



At 08:28 10/02/2012, you wrote:
> Se'vIrmey cha' vajar. ghe'naQ bomwI'vam ngaghtaH yuQ qumwI'[105].
> yo' 'aj SuchtaH Sutmey tuQbe'bogh nga'chuqqangqu'law'wI'vam'e'[113].

If {-taH} here is intended to describe a continual or habitual action
rather than a continuous one, I think it's better left off.

If SuStel is reading I'd be interested in his take on this, wrt to his "every verb needs an aspect suffix" idea.

> na'SIqya'ngan nach Hom much la'. pIHbej boqwI' nach.

naDev <nub> qaq law' <pIH> qaq puS 'e' vIchup.

'ay'vam vIngeHta' Qaghvetlh DaSamDI' 'ach 'ay'mey chu'vaD vIHeSqa'be' 'e' vInID.

> Do' ghuHmoHmo' Hota'ro'
> ghu'vam qelta' vajar vaj bItbe'chu'. QonoSDaq HoHvetlh qonta' 'ej 'ungya pa'
> tlhoy'Daq HoHvetlh mIllogh nuDlu'chugh 'oHDaq HovpoH leghlu'.

De' qar qonta'mo' Hub'eghlaHba' vajar.

potlhqu' QonoS.

> "puqpu' vIghajbe'," jatlh vajar. "yatlhtaHvIS HoH jagh. boghpu'chuq puq DaH
> wa'maH ben boghpu'."

boghpu'chugh

Those errors always weird me. I also frequently typo gh/H and ch/j and j/q when it follows an I. It's obviously not a typo in the "finger hits wrong key" sense, seeing as I'm not using a pIqaD keyboard. They don't happen on words that I don't know well--well tey might, but that's a different story. No one doubts that I know the difference between -chugh and -chuq and won't confuse them, and clearly -chuq there follows a V7, so I'm not thinking -chuq. Do I whisper the sounds in my head and have them sound the same that way? I know I have chunked the "letters" in my head even if they are more than one keystroke, because if I type ghaH and then decide to change it to chaH, I always delete the gh and make it ch. How does my brain work?

> ratlh pagh. ngeb Hoch vajar HeSmeyqoq. Qamqu' vajar.

ghaytan moghqu' qImyal.

'ej moghqu'DI' qImyal ...

> "reH Suvrup SuvwI''a'," jatlh Sa'. QuchHa'law'.[109]

wejlogh QuchHa'.

Datogh 'e vIchupbe'.

> wa'logh ghup vajar. quvDaj qaDqu'ta' Sa' 'ach Sa' ghaH 'ej SIbI' tlhIjta'.
> qeH moch neHbe'. qa'meH vIttlhegh lajmeH ghu' buSHa' vajar. jatlh "latlh De' > vIqawchugh qaja'." pa'vo' yItta' Sa'. rInlaw' qepvam. tlhoS cha'maH wa' rep.

vaj tach ghoSnIS qar'a'?

Huh. I wrote my comments immedately as they occurred to me during my
first read-through. I went through and fixed some formatting as I read
it a second time. It wasn't until a final nit-pick scan for
punctuation that I noticed that {tlhoS cha'maH wa' rep} has an
adverbial but entirely lacks a verb.

And now I am wondering what the verb should be. Oh, I know.

{tugh cha'maH wa'logh Qoy'lu'pu'.}

> 'avwI'vaD jatlh vajar, "tachDaq HIDor."
>
> "mIw DaSIQ 'e' DaSap, qaH," jatlh 'avwI'.

Dang, without a {-ta'} on {DaSap} this feels like it isn't quite
complete. It's an annoying rule, but I proudly stand by the fake
linguistic traditions of Klingons from decades ago.

For a moment I thought you were talking about fake history, but whoa, they asked me today in class when I started learning Klingon, and it was the *eighties*. That was decades ago. Back then I handwrote my essays and paid someone to type them on a typewriter.

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