tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Jan 15 12:50:41 2004
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Re: DCKL translation problems: {yaH}
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:31:30 +0100, Lieven L. Litaer (Quvar)
<[email protected]> wrote:
> So you understand "wird weggenommen" and not "ist weggenommen"
Yes. The second construction doesn't make much sense to me, either. "Die
Tür ist geschlossen", yes; *"Der Apfel [oder was auch immer] ist
weggenommen", no. "...ist weggenommen worden", perhaps. That is,
"weggenommen" feels to me only like a verbal participle, not like a
predicative adjective (though as an attributive adjective it might work
- "Der weggenommene Apfel").
> >Perhaps {qama' nge'lu'ta'} for "The prisoner was taken away" - "der
> >Gefangene wurde fortgebracht";
>
> nee, er wurde "weggenommen" {nge'}.
>
> >{qama' nge'lu'taH} - "der Gefangene wird
> >fortgebracht".
>
> "fortgebracht" !! (??)
> there we get another possible word!
Indeed. That's the primary meaning I get from "be taken away":
"weggebracht/weggenommen worden sein".
That would mean that {yaH} is roughly {nge'lu'}, though...
> But you believe that {nge'} works?? I don't.
Yes, I do. Or rather, I think it could work.
I'd have to know the exact definition of "take away" as a translation of
{nge'} -- is it only "to remove/steal" or can it also be "to take
someone away (e.g. a prisoner in chains)".
Philip
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