From: "Quvar valer (Lieven)" <[email protected]> > I can't remember > is it > vavlIj moH > or > vav moHlIj vavlI' moH (Was that a trick question?) Only Type 5 noun suffixes migrate to the adjectival verb. A father is usually a being capable of using language. (I suppose you might be talking to your pet targ, though.) SuStel Stardate 3233.7