tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Oct 14 14:45:05 1998
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Re: KLBC (band - attempt #2)
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: KLBC (band - attempt #2)
- Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:45:01 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
- In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
- Priority: NORMAL
On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:32:28 -0700 (PDT) [email protected] wrote:
> > "My child engages a drillmusiciangroup." Are you German?
>
> Well, being from central PA, having a German heritage and that being
> the language I studied in high school, I may have picked up that bad
> habit, but it was more an extrapolation of "if I can jam two together, why
> not three?".
Well, Germans certainly believe in that.
> > yIttaHvIS QoQ chu'bogh ghomvaD jeSchoH puqwI'.
> > yIttaHvIS QoQ chu'bogh ghom'e' tu'lu'. ghomvamvaD jeSchoH puqwI'.
>
> What does the "-choH" do to the meaning in these examples?
It simply means that there is a change of state. Your kid had
not participated in the group, and then he began to participate.
That change of state is what {-choH} is all about.
> > Watch your case. {I} is never "i" in Klingon.
>
> I know better, its my fingers that get confused.
Fine. They'll learn.
> vInIDqa'
>
> yIttaHvIS QoQ chu'bogh ghom'e' tu'lu'.
> ghomvamvaD jeSchoH puqwI'.
> loSHu' 'ovta'.
As a picky detail, recognize that this means that four days ago,
they had FINISHED accomplishing competing. They had accomplished
competing. Likely, you meant:
loSHu' 'ov. wejHu' 'ovta'.
In the stream of this text, you would not say the second
sentence I suggest. Just drop the {-ta'}, especially since in
the next sentence, you say:
> 'ovtaHvIS SIS.
It sounds like you are jumping around in time without giving
time stamps. Four days ago they had competed. While competing...
But they've already finished competing. It is a little confusing.
> SIStaHvIS wISIQta'.
Again, lose the {-ta'}. If you have already completed the
enduring while it was raining, then you no longer were in the
process of enduring while it was raining, so what is it that you
had endured? The music?
> (DaHjaj 'oy'taH HughwIj!).
Good. You set the time stamp well. This makes perfect sense.
> 'ach 'ovtaHvIS batlh muchta' 'ej jaj wItIvqu'ta'.
Again, lose the {-ta'}. While competing you had not already
completed the presentation and you had not already completed
enjoying the day. These things were still in process.
> (Since the timestamp shifted from 4 days ago, to today in the sore throat
> line, is it sufficient to reffer to "when they were competing" to reference
> back to Saturday?)
Well, the {'ach} gives us a clue that you are contrasting
something and from context it appears to be the time. It would
be clearer if you said {'ach loSHu'...}, but likely you'd be
understood as you said it. In fact, all of this would be
understood, but misusing the {-ta'} is simply bad grammar, like
"ain't" or double negatives in English. If you are trying to
speak Klingon well, you need to recognize that {-ta'} does not
simply imply accomplishment. It also implies a completion of
that accomplishment. It is one of two perfective aspect
indicators (along with {-pu'}). It definitely indicates that at
the time pointed to by the time stamp, this action is complete.
It no longer continues. It had happened. It was not continuing
to happen. It was a done deal.
> SIHwI'
charghwI'